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    I like the method of listing all the parts and their numbers, so in blatant imitation...

    CROWN ERFURT 1899

    Barrel SN 7980
    Bayonet lug SN
    Front sight SN 80
    Rear sight SN 80
    Front barrel band SN 5216
    Rear barrel band SN 80

    Trigger guard SN 7980
    Trigger guard screws SN 80, 20
    Follower SN 80
    Floor Plate SN 80
    Ejector box SN 58
    Bolt body SN 7980
    Safety SN 80
    Cocking piece SN 80
    Gas shield SN 80
    Extractor SN 80
    Firing pin SN 80
    Buttplate SN
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Erfurt 1899 IV s.JPG   Erfurt 1899 VI s.JPG   Erfurt 1899 VIII s.JPG  

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    For a few seconds there, I thought you were trying to take away my rifle's title of "World's Most Mis-matched Mauser". Then I realized your's is largely matching.

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    I agree with Ken, (though not sure where his post went..) we have a good number of the 1899's recorded, several with images of detail and I too think it likely the f/p was added on a subsequent rework. We have 3 with f/p but they all show reworking and the ones that have the original barrels do not have a f/p.
    As I recall CB and some others went over this subject recently.
    Still quite cool as this would be a new high for the year, a slight jump of only a few hundred rifles but still always good to get a new high.
    We do have, believe it or not, a sterngewehrs of this vintage- obviously of war time assembly but the receiver rejected from this period so there are some later assembled (its a Saxon cypher job similar to my 1916 Simson, - this one is marked 1899/16 Erfurt, and was an old KCN'r report I found thanks to PeterK!)

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    I almost forgot the most important part. I think the barrel says BL 667, but the second 6 is screwed up. But I don't think it could be anything except another 6. There is also an eagle, 3 Crown W's, a Crown RC, and on the reciever a 10, Z D X, Q T P, and V S.

    I'm going to show my ignorance right now. What precisely is a SternGewehr? I hear it said a lot, but only being able to collect guns for a year I've never seen one before.

    Here are some bad pictures of the underside of my gun, you might be able to read what it says.
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    Thanks for the images, very helpful!

    Sterngewehr is a rifle assembled from off standard parts, a rifle made sometimes from rejected parts (for whatever reason) during the war, as an expediency.
    You occasionally find older receivers, one such as yours that for whatever reason didn't get assembled that was saved (Germans were frugal in this time frame- as were most industrialized nations, the United States at this time wasn't as wasteful as it is today, back then things were recycled, arms were sold to the public to recoup tax dollars, and much was reutilized as is discussed in professional magazines of the time) and during the war assembled as a rifle requiring special hand fitting.

    Here is my Simson Suhl sterngewehr, Dresden assembled, and the only Simson sterngewehr I have seen to date? Its all matching (for the most part, rod and handguard are m/m I think), and its been through a lot but Mauserbill restored it to a state of maximum potential, - or rather the best it could possibly be considering all its been through!


    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingMantis View Post
    I'm going to show my ignorance right now. What precisely is a SternGewehr? I hear it said a lot, but only being able to collect guns for a year I've never seen one before.

    Here are some bad pictures of the underside of my gun, you might be able to read what it says.
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    hello...my Simson 1917 5905b (repost) not matching ( bolt body, stock and trigger guard are 4685)

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    Glad you found the thread! I have this from your report to my website, but its good for everyone to see your rifle here! (possibly the only one in Italy?? I suspect not many Simson Suhl's in Italy?)

    Perhaps you can get the barrel data that is so important for our study? Several friends and I have collected all the barrel codes (especially for Simson Suhl, especially post 1919) and have a database of them going.. I posted mine and a few back in January for the MRJ I publish but I get a trickle of reports and have really started to get a good sample- we could use more of course!

    If you have the time remove the stock and get the barrel code, its unfortunately under the woodline and that has hampered our getting data on this code- the 98k we have a much wider reporting of sub-contract blank providers vs finishers but Imperial the blank providers are quite low in reporting (I doubt 1% of examples in the database have the barrel reported! 98k maybe approaching 10%?)

    Quote Originally Posted by ggiorg3 View Post
    hello...my Simson 1917 5905b (repost) not matching ( bolt body, stock and trigger guard are 4685)

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    [quote=SimsonSuhl;290127]Glad you found the thread! I have this from your report to my website, but its good for everyone to see your rifle here! (possibly the only one in Italy?? I suspect not many Simson Suhl's in Italy?)

    Hello ..i remember your site... here in Italy i have seen only another Simson in a gun shop some years ago....


    [quote=SimsonSuhl;290127] Perhaps you can get the barrel data that is so important for our study?

    on the barrel (upside down under the serial number ) ther is a K (not sure ) and r399

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    Thanks!
    Yours is very much as 99% of reported so far. Krupp seems to be the no.1 supplier of steel blanks to Simson in Imperial (and Weimar era) only one or two so far not from Krupp.
    Nothing of a revelation as we are talking a couple dozen reports of many thousands made but it gives a perspective to start from!
    Is the acceptance on the barrel c/K c/R or c/B? It 'seems' to change around 1917?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj750 View Post
    I don't know if the information will be of any value, but I have a Gew 98 that appears to have lead an interesting life.
    Siderail is stamped Deutsche Waffen-und Munitionsfabriken Berlin. Receiver is partially scrubbed, but "1906" can still be made out. Above the date are the letters "FB" (Radom?) in an inverted triangle. On the side of the receiver opposite the serial number is what appears to be a Polish eagle. Another Polish eagle appears on the barrel. Both the barrel and receiver are numbered 6855 (no suffix). The rest of the gun is pure mix-master. The receiver serial number is preceded by a "B" in a circle and a capital "K". There are quite a number of odd-looking stampings on the barrel, including a lower case "p", and a "Z" inside a circle. The Z inside a circle mark is also found on the underside of the bolt handle. Which doesn't match the receiver serial, but is marked "PU 2997". There is a large upper case "T" on the bolt knob itself.
    The rifle is equipped with the Lange site, and the stock seems to be WWI vintage, although newer than the rifle. There are two Imperial crown proofs on the RH side of the buttstock behind the bolt take down disc, and a large letter "B". There is a third crown proof on the underside of the pistolgrip behind the triggergaurd. Floorplate has Nazi-era waffenampts (Eagle 214).
    Old Century import marks (CAI ST ALB VT) on the muzzle end of the barrel. There are no unit markings anywhere that I can find.

    Anyhow, don't know that any of that will be of use to the database. But given the diverse markings, if this rifle could talk, I bet it could tell a tale or two.
    Had a request for pics many moons ago, but my camera just wasn't up to the task. I finally borrowed a camera with a Macro feature and although my results are somewhat amateurish, I managed to get a few shots of the various markings. Any help identifying what's what would be appreciated.

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    Definitely danced with the Poles, very typical markings of some I've seen.. not sure on the DWM siderail business but others like John Wall do that sort of thing well? (commercial receiver?) post it to a normal thread as I don’t know if John peeks here much?
    Interesting certainly but I at least can't help you much beyond the obvious (Polish reworked/salvaged)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimsonSuhl View Post
    Thanks!

    Is the acceptance on the barrel c/K c/R or c/B? It 'seems' to change around 1917?
    It seems a c /R
    Last edited by ggiorg3; 04-07-2008 at 05:52 AM.

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    Very good! Yours is consistent to earlier production from 1916, so the transition is later. I have an f block which are somewhat obscured so I can't tell for sure what it is.. but a d block changed from c/R and mine is probably the later (assuming lot numbers and suffix of completed rifles can be trusted! The lot numbers of the blanks seem to go in sequence 'so far' - earlier block have earlier lots..)
    One more example to support this observation!

    Thanks!

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    Dear fellow collector's,

    I have a 1917 Amberg Gew 98 that was arsenal refurbushed in the 20's sometime. I am looking for the original "roller coaster: trype sights that originally were issued with the rifle. ANY help any of you can give me pointing me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. I don't even know where to start looking. Please, feel free to write me directly at: [email protected] with ANY ifo you may be willing to share. Thank you all very much in advance for any help that you can give me. Thanks!!

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    Default 1899 Erfurt GEW 98

    1899 Erfurt GEW98 s/n 982 details to follow

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    Thanks Peter!
    Do some of the RR acceptance and the barrel code? I assume its been re-barreled? Kind of surprising how many of these survived, we have a decent number on file but none with a suffix so under 10K so far.. pretty cool!

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    Dear friends,
    This is a spanish civil war gew 98. Anybody knows what means "KBE"?
    Thanks

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    Excuse. Try this link

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    This might get more play & attention if you'd put it in the normal threads.. but I guess one can try and associate this with an EW (Einwohnerwehr) militia.. and its a possibility but I kind of doubt it?

    I didn't see any association in Mr. Large's work and even though he isn't focused on the arms aspects too much I'd expect "EW" in the stamp if associated?
    There were a good number of EW in Germany in the early post war period, not just Bavaria but most of the others are less known and "possibly" less radical than our friendly Bavarians?
    One thing for certain is there are a number of these burned/branded markings, some associate them with railroad organizations, some with Police, FK or EW types but like this one as far as I am aware no one has linked all the markings to organizations or purpose.

    Looks familiar but I couldn’t find another in my database.. if its there I didn’t make note of it.
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    Good observations. In fact, the rifle was stored with others marked EWB (the bavarian pre-nazi militia), all modified with tangent rear sights.
    The only meaning I know for the initials is "köln - bonner eisenbahn" (the train line between Colonia and Bonn, maybe a train-sappers rifle?).

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    Possibly.. railroad organizations seem to be one of the more popular explanations suggested by experienced collectors? The railways had serious difficulties post war.

    There was a discussion once about a brand on a Reichsrevolver and bayonet that sported a "BE" and there was some banter back and forth over the possibilities.. "Bayerische Eisenbahn" or "Bayerische Einwohnerwehr" were suggested but I don't know if there was ever a consensus formed?

    I do know there were a boatload of EW type organizations, they were largely disbanded early on (little but memorabilia exists for most- medal collectors are resourceful here) but the Bavarians held out the longest- quite a fascinating story for such a short run thing and some characters that play prominent roles then would float to the top of the toilet bowl under the national socialists later.

    I can't really help on this I guess but you might consider going to the P08 forums and seek answers? Of all the German arms collectors none are more serious or resourceful than the P08 crowd?

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    Thank you very much, Simson Suhl.

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    You're welcome, unfortunate no one could answer it any better on the normal threads.. I was hoping someone had a better answer for you.

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    To all here,

    I am a new member, and will be honest, I am here only to learn about a rifle that i have newly acquired, I traded some odd-job work for this Danzig 8mm Rifle. when I saw the gun, I knew I needed to try to find more information about it. I have seemed to pretty much run into a wall too, I dont know much about the old guns, nor where to find info on them.

    I called a friend about the rifle, and he told me to look for some markings, and numbers, after I read all the stuff off to him he told me that i should put the gun away, and keep it for a while.

    As I was reading all the numbers off to him he told me that it was a completely matching weapon.
    I also told him that for a 102yr old weapon there wasnt very much damage to the stock, and other than a few dings, and scratches it looked pretty darn good.

    Long Story Short:
    Its a Danzig 98, 1906 with a lot of markings, and symbols on it i don't know what they stand for,(mostly the "symbols" appear to be some kind of crowns, and some really artsy looking letters; if someone wants to see some pics of the gun I'll take pics, and send them to them ) and the Serial number is 3664, and every single piece of hardware, and the bolt pieces as well, match.

    Would someone be willing to impart their knowledge of this weapon with me, or help me find out where I can garner more information about this particular weapon?

    I can be contacted at [email protected]

    Mods, sorry if im not supposed to put my personal contact in here:D
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    Not a problem and welcome to the Forum. Pictures would help.

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    Gunner, your rifle would be a new low recorded for that mfg/year if it doesn't have a suffix.

    If its totally original and matching it would be quite a score for some odd-job work.. the early rifles are quite elusive original, never reworked or parts replaced.

    As TP suggested post your pictures to your post so we can see the rifle? Personally I would like to see the right/top/left receiver, the barrel code (under the woodline) and all the markings in the stock you can find (especially any unit markings if its original)? Of course no one would browbeat you if you uploaded more either..

    Alternatively you can email them to me through my websites (links to my Gewehr98 website and the MRJ are in my signature and I can be reached by either link. If you like I can post them for you here too.. up to you of course.)

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner081079 View Post
    Long Story Short:
    Its a Danzig 98, 1906 with a lot of markings, and symbols on it i don't know what they stand for,(mostly the "symbols" appear to be some kind of crowns, and some really artsy looking letters; if someone wants to see some pics of the gun I'll take pics, and send them to them ) and the Serial number is 3664, and every single piece of hardware, and the bolt pieces as well, match.

    Would someone be willing to impart their knowledge of this weapon with me, or help me find out where I can garner more information about this particular weapon?

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    TP, And Simon Suhl,
    I am now taking pics of the weapon, and would like to provide whatever information, and pics you need, If someone would not mind calling me to tell me how to dissemble the rifle, I would appreciate it lol, I would rather not damage any of the parts trying to take pics

    My number is this : 256-328-5261

    Mods if I shouldnt have put this here, please foward to neccessary parties, and forgive me LOL

    crap. tried to load pics, but they are too big, and im not good at resizing them, I'll send to the website you told me lol.

    Also if you think the gun is worth showing to others feel free to do so
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    Hi, Are you still doing research on the Gew98?
    I have a 1916 Spandau that I have had for years.
    I believe it is all original. Supposedly it was a bring back according to the old gent I bought it from.
    If you still need it, I'll post the information.
    avery

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    Avery; absolutely.. everyday.

    I just wrote a very small filler piece on S&H and Spandau for the MRJ, and 1916 is a very interesting year at the primary State Arsenal.
    If you can take it out of the stock and look under the receiver for an intertwined "S&H" or Bayard logo? These sub-contract receivers started in 1916 to show up.. USUALLY on sterngewehrs and postwar jobs.
    Spandau is the Gustloff Werke of the Imperial era, loads of interesting oddities and questions come up about this arsenal, 1916 was their largest production year (as far as is known) but 1917 is when things really start to get interesting with Spandau Gewehr98 production.

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    Tony sent me pics of the rifle and as he states here that if the rifle is of worth to display it.. it is a rifle of value and one that is quite desirable, the rifle is 1906 Danzig ser. 3664 31.R.10.218 and marked to a Reserve Regiment which looks to be totally original, no replaced parts, matching in so far as he imaged it and quite nice actually.

    I recommended Tony not clean it as imo that is something that should be done by an experienced collector when the rifle is of such quality.

    Anyway, the 31st RR was part of the IX Armeekorps of Schleswig-Holstein, it was mobilized in 1914 and part of the 18th Res Div (it remained in this Division the entire war) this Regiment and Division fought on the Western Front the entire war, mostly in France & Belgium. According to the "251 Divisions" it had a hard time of it in early 1917 against the British, but never really distinguished itself in the latter part of the war.

    I didn't see much on it in the AEF Intelligence Reports from 1917-1918 so I suspect it was like the "251" suggested- a holding Division of second class quality by wars end.

    Considering the condition of the rifle (looks totally original- no worked.. which is next to unheard of totally matching this early) one can wonder how it got here?

    Some images..


    Quote Originally Posted by gunner081079 View Post
    Also if you think the gun is worth showing to others feel free to do so

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    SimsonSuhl,

    Once again I would like to thank you for the information on this weapon, it is very intruiging, and is very ........thought provoking, I have read some things about the wars, and such in my mild curiosity of the worlds history, but to actually be holding this relic of times past is Very cool, and I thank you Sir for telling me (all of us) about this guns most likely history. And LOL, I called the man I got the gun from, and told him about the alleged value of it, and asked him if he would like his gun back, suprisingly he told me it was mine now, and enjoy.

    I noticed in your comment above, that there is still some questionability of the weapons status, as being 100% matching..... To satisfy my curiosity, what other forms of pics would you or another pro collector need to see to validate this gun???

    If I need to remove anything to do the pics you may need, would you mind giving me some step by step instructions oon the proper disassembly of the gun???

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    Well, you said the stock matched, and I don't doubt you however it wasn't imaged (I see the buttplate matches); the cleaning rod should have the last two digits (you'd not normally think this matters but even a half decent rod is $40+ all day long.. matched to the rifle "originally" probably will be a positive), I'd like to see how the stock is marked inside as well as the barrel code (though the barrel code is not a value enhancer or necessary).
    The essential part is that the rifle be 100% matching to every piece.. its important that it be "originally" matching too- meaning factory original.
    Many rifles this early saw some level of work, but your seems not to have any work done. I assume a product of the unit it was marked to and probably captured early.

    Reworking signs can be subtle and not apparent to some, even experienced collectors sometimes. I really think we have enough to be damn certain the rifle is totally original, and although marked to a Garde unit would be way cooler (and worth a lot more all else being equal) I think your rifle is VERY cool and not seen very often. (I have seen rifles like yours in better condition but 9 out of 10 times something is mismatched- usually the bolt.)

    Anyway, a very nice rifle- congratulations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimsonSuhl View Post
    Avery; absolutely.. everyday.

    I just wrote a very small filler piece on S&H and Spandau for the MRJ, and 1916 is a very interesting year at the primary State Arsenal.
    If you can take it out of the stock and look under the receiver for an intertwined "S&H" or Bayard logo? These sub-contract receivers started in 1916 to show up.. USUALLY on sterngewehrs and postwar jobs.
    Spandau is the Gustloff Werke of the Imperial era, loads of interesting oddities and questions come up about this arsenal, 1916 was their largest production year (as far as is known) but 1917 is when things really start to get interesting with Spandau Gewehr98 production.
    Well sir, I lied. It is a 1914 Spandau.
    I haven't looked at it in so long, I forgot the date. Sorry!
    Is there anything off this one you would want to know?
    Serial # is 3158 and what appears to have a "g" under that.
    Looking it over, it is amazing that every part is numbered to the rifle, even the receiver screws. Who'da thunk! lol
    The one thing that is not matched is the cleaning rod. I suppose those were easily lost.
    The sling on it is pretty much rotted away. lol
    If you need more info, just holler.
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    the cleaning rod should have the last two digits (you'd not normally think this matters but even a half decent rod is $40+ all day long.. matched to the rifle "originally" probably will be a positive), I'd like to see how the stock is marked inside as well as the barrel code (though the barrel code is not a value enhancer or necessary).

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    CRap.... Gots no cleaning Rod, meh oh well lol

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    Yes, I remember your rifle!

    I have the text and a few images of it from Oct2004, quite a nice rifle and typical of what I was referring to on the 1906 Danzig, as your rifle has seen work, proper period work but work still the same.

    1914 Spandau is one of the few 1914 dated Gewehr98's of some number observed.. I have 8-9 on file, and that is a lot for a pre-war, they are reported to the "n" block which you'd think is high but Danzig is even more!

    Regardless of the numbers made in 1914, all the makers (The State Arsenals minus Erfurt and Mauser) are quite elusive- especially matching, and Imperial config, righteous etc..

    Quote Originally Posted by avery53 View Post
    Well sir, I lied. It is a 1914 Spandau.
    I haven't looked at it in so long, I forgot the date. Sorry!
    Is there anything off this one you would want to know?
    Serial # is 3158 and what appears to have a "g" under that.
    Looking it over, it is amazing that every part is numbered to the rifle, even the receiver screws. Who'da thunk! lol
    The one thing that is not matched is the cleaning rod. I suppose those were easily lost.
    The sling on it is pretty much rotted away. lol
    If you need more info, just holler.
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    Thanks for the info.
    My C.R.S. memory must be in neutral, I don't remember posting before. hee hee
    Sorry I couldn't add to your data-base!
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    I have a better database than memory!

    I remember better once I record the data and find any files on the report.. it was in Oct 2004, gunboards probably, I didn't record venue but MauserBill and I both responded to the thread. Might be others but I only "usually" save relevant comments to threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by avery53 View Post
    Thanks for the info.
    My C.R.S. memory must be in neutral, I don't remember posting before. hee hee
    Sorry I couldn't add to your data-base!
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    Talking Dwm 1908

    Picked this one up recently. All matching but for the rod. Regimentally marked to the 19th Infantry Regiment, which saw action at Verdun. Appears that this one has not been messed with.

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    Damn impressive rifle! Really don't get any better?

    1908 is DWM last pre-war year with "significant production" (1909 was the last prewar production for DWM, very few reported/confirmed), I have a decent number recorded, none nearly as nice as this one though! Excellent display of the RR, which helps tremendously! (not many do this angle and my database lacks this detail on many rifles- prewar moreso..)

    For whatever reason I at one time considered DWM my least favored mfg, really silly I guess but today I consider them equal or better than Mauser, (sacrilege I know..) - Now that I have studied DWM more closely I have taken a liking to their product, they were a ruthless company and the story of how they tried to stifle Simson's start up (during a freaking war!) is annoying but no company has a more interesting history than does DWM and today I find them most interesting!

    After Simson Suhl of course..

    Quote Originally Posted by fergus View Post
    Picked this one up recently. All matching but for the rod. Regimentally marked to the 19th Infantry Regiment, which saw action at Verdun. Appears that this one has not been messed with.
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    Thanks SimsonSuhl. I had to sell a nice SVT-40 to help fund this one....which cost a pretty penny. It came with an original period Gew 98 sling which has seen better days. I'll post some photos of the sling in the forum when I get a chance. One thing which might not be apparent from the photos is what appears to be a faint four digit property number etched on the trigger guard, which is barely visible in the last photo. It looks to be quite old.....perhaps applied at time of capture by the French or possibly the Americans? The 19th Regiment suffered heavy casualties at Verdun and many of soldiers of the regiment were captured there.

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    Fergus, excellent gewehr!

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    Default Transitional GEW 98

    Finally received the transitional GEW 98 from the auction house. Bore is great. Not sure what the proof marks mean
























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    Thanks for the detailed shots, a close up of the barrel code (behind the rearsight on the top, looks like a BJ???) can you identify this marking clearly? Also a clear shot of the right receiver acceptance would be helpful?
    As to the "proof" mark, do you mean the marking in the last picture on the wrist of the stock? Looks Spanish maybe to me, hard to say, as I don't follow foreign acceptance or meaning much.
    The "1920" on the receiver is a "government property" mark/stamp, it means it was government property postwar and is not a sign of rework of any sort.
    The rearsight sleeve markings are the maker of the sleeve, Mauser Oberndorf, and it doesn't mean Mauser did the work as I don't believe they did many at all (actually I don't think they did any conversions or upgrading as some suggest, I think they "only" supplied the parts to the ordnance system)
    If you image the rearsight more thoroughly we might get a better feel for the date of the tangent rearsight upgrade if original to the rifle.. its known when sS is adopted and markings sometimes date the work.
    Under the receiver are random markings that are generally not identifiable today; on rare occasions they can be useful- not in this case that I see.

    Anyway, basically you have a Gewehr98M as collectors sometimes call them, at least I do as MarkW once made use of a similar nomenclature and if it was good for MarkW its good enough for me. Some old timers have different names for the different variations these come in (rear bands etc..) but the differences/nomenclature escape me w/o looking them up.

    Thanks for the data!

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    Have Oberndorf GEW 98 #675B Last didget of date too faint to read. There are no Turkish cresents or import markings, however right side of receiver in small print---"CAL. 8mm Turkey" What have we?

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