As soon as I get home later today I will show you some more imaginary revolvers Wolfgang.
As soon as I get home later today I will show you some more imaginary revolvers Wolfgang.
This is a WG Target in 450/455 fitted with a 297-230 morris tube adapter. It is the only known Morris tube adapter made for a WG.
This has been handed down to me from my Grandfather. During WWII, he traded a British Lieutenant for this 1917 Webley MK VI. It is the only Webley I have.
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"We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothin"
I always think that guns passed down though a family are the most interesting one. Can you read the date on the nickel.
Looks good, F-M!
Mind you, although the grips currently installed perhaps form part of the 'family history' ( in which case they should of course be retained) to my eye it would look much nicer with 'proper' black hard rubber/bakelite grips .....
Such grips are available at modest cost -
- http://www.gungrip.com/detail_G137__19.html
- http://vintagegungrips.net/ao-w16.html
Just keep in mind if you do replace the grips with the proper ones, you will need to order the brass escutcheons and grip screw from that source at the same time since the replacements don't come with those bits.
I'm new here, but last week I popped into my LGS for a natter and found this: a 1943 Mk IV .38 in lovely shape.
Having grown up in England, I'd always wanted a Webley, so I was delighted to find it. The only problem is, now my wife keeps shouting "Watson! Your revolver!"
Nice revolver, Chartreuse!
Little does your wife know that by uttering such a line she is really issuing a challenge, and granting implied permission of course, to seek out and purchase a rather more appropriate revolver for use by Watson or Holmes .... say, like this Webley RIC New Model -
.... or better yet, something like this Adams Third Model-
Get busy, Man, before she realizes what she is doing!
(Where are you located, by the way?)
Webley Fosberys
Eight of my nine Fosberys, 7 are .455's 1 is a .38, I have another .38 not available at the moment.
Great group of Fosberys Howard.
You, Sir, are a very lucky man! It must have taken time and effort to amass that collection. I salute you.Originally Posted by signalman
Grant - thanks for the kind words and the encouragement towards bankruptcy. You're absolutely right and, for one thing I'd love a Fosbery - but it appears that Howard has them all.
Joking apart, I've seen two for sale, at $5,500 and $8,500 - both way too rich for my blood. I was lucky enough to get the Mk IV for under $200, which is more my speed.
As to location, I'm in the Texas Panhandle. There's a bitter-sweet irony in the fact that I can own British guns here that I could never have owned in England.
Thanks Joel, and chartreuse, Quite a stash for an old flaregun collector, huh.
Yes I have been fortunate, and yes, I am still looking to add to this little grouping if anyone has any in nice collectable condition, and at the right price.
Not Webleys, but this is a photo of my coffee table.
Its NO fun having them if you can't show them !
Good Collecting
That's quite a coffee table !
Your coffee table bears a striking resemblance to the tables of you used to present at the Chicago CADA shows over which I would drool.
Thanks for the complements
G-d do I miss those old Cada Shows. Since moving south I've noticed Florida shows kind of suk compaired to the old Cada, and Louisville shows. ... But good things do turn up here.
Well, I-95 runs both ways... ;-) Just kidding. Check out the Lakeland Rifle & Pistol Club gun shows on the third week of September, January and April. It may not be Chicago, or Louisville, but it's a good show.
Thank you all for the nice pictures
I wonder where these Webleys would be now?
When my wife and I used to spend winters in Florida the Lakeland show was the best of the Florida shows. I liked it better than the CADA show at the Tuperware Center.
No 2 Mk I 38 caliber 1933 Enfield manufacture Webley, also RAF stamped. Appears to be in its original service configuration.
Any unusual markings on this? I don't know anything about the meanings or nuances of these stampings.
http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u...%202%20Mk%20I/
Great photo, Bonny!!I wonder where these Webleys would be now?
Presumably a regimental shooting team with trophy .... do you have any details about the photo?
Bonny, would you please email me at: joel_black@netzero.com I would love to use that picture in a book I'm writing.
Francis,
I think you got that Enfield from me. I guess you finally got it from that long queue your FFL dealer had for you.
Photos:
I purchased this pistol in CA in the mid 90s; that small shop is probably out of business now. So many outstanding surplus firearm shops were starved and driven out of CA in the last 20 years. If you have such a shop in your neighborhood, give them as much business as you can to keep such a treasure in your community.
Very nice looking Enfield, Francis! It still has the correct checkered wood grips for such an early-production model, and they are in amazingly good condition - the checkering is still incredibly sharp!
By the way, it isn't a Webley.
Although I'm no expert, for the most part your markings look standard to me. These Enfield revolvers were heavily marked! One non-standard stamp is the "England" on the right side ahead of the cylinder. That mark is actually a "U.S. Import Mark" - i.e. a marking showing place of manufacture, which has been a requirement on firearms imported into the States (since 1968, IIRC).
Until recently I had a fairly nice 1931-dated Enfield No. 2 Mark I, which also still had the checkered grips appropriate to such an early piece, although they had apparently been refinished ..... or else got subjected to a lot of wear!
However, because my military firearm collection concentrates on Canadian issued or used pieces, I recently availed myself of an opportunity to trade straight across for a somewhat later-production revolver (1936) which is RCAF and C-broadarrow marked. Although it is not commonly known, no British handgun model has ever been "standard issue" in the Canadian forces, with but one notable exception - a relatively small number of Enfield No. 2 Mk I revolvers acquired specifically for the RCAF, beginning with an initial order for just 235 revolvers placed in October 1935, followed by purchase of another 350 in October 1937. Pretty scarce ...... but now I've got one of them in my collection!
As should be apparent from the above details (photos supplied by the fellow I traded with, as I haven't gotten around to taking any pictures since I got it) the grips are the simple reeded walnut type appropriate for that year of production. (I have commented on that with respect to all of these revolvers because, of course, it is not at all unusual to see a military-issue firearm with replacement parts .... and the grips on these revolvers have quite often been replaced with one of the later patterns pictured above.)
Grant, thanks writing on the background of this pistol. I never realized that it wasn't a Webley at all!
I do have a small ENGLAND import stamp on the right side of the frame just in front of the cylinder; so that must mean it came to the US after '68.
What might these two stamps on the cylinder mean:
E.B.3
X166
Also, each of the six flutes cut into the cylinder between cartridge stations has a crown and what looks like a C and a P superimposed; why would it be necessary to stamp the cylinder six times with the same mark?
Of the two marks on the rear of the cylinder, I believe the first identifies an individual Enfield inspector, and the other is a "steel lot" number, if I recall correctly.
The six identical stamps are proofmarks, signifying that each chamber was separately subjected to a proof load .... (You can also see them on the cylinder of my erstwhile 1931 revolver shown above.)
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That period Webley photo is labelled as "12th Royal Lancers in India with the Duke of Connaught’s Cup 1929".
You can read more about it on Flickr -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sunnybrook100/2453141924/
Thanks Bonny. Those are some great pictures.
All very interesting.
This is a MK I cutaway. I have also seen MK II and MK VI cutaways. Do any of you have a MK III, MK IV or MK V cutaway?
No - only seen a Mk.1 - are they common?
Joe Salter has a cutaway Webley on his web site.
OH, MY, GAWD:eek::eek::eek:
Do you also own a Bently and have a house in Mayfair?:D
Many years ago, visiting the London Arms fair, I saw several with price tags around 2000 quid!
Hey . . . he's only got 9 of 'em. Not like he had very many of them ? huh . . .
Yur not really a gun lover unless you have individual guns that are each worth more then the primary vehicle that you drive.
Joe Davis, Bob Carswell, Roger Michaud, Paul Breakey and I had been discussing this for a few days. None of them had seen a MK III, IV or V and had concluded that only I, II and VIs were made and then that MK III showed up on Joe's website. I, with my ignorance of Webley military revolvers, assumed they must have made cutaways for all the models. Sometimes the duh factor works.
Hello John, I have 100's of Bentlys in mint unused condition.
They are Butane cigarette lighters from the 60's and 70's
I was in the Tobacco Business when I was younger.
577 Revolver
Here is a 577 solid frame revolver. It was advertised as a Webley at auction but is actually a Tipping & Lawden manufactured under license by Tranter. This revolver will not chamber the the solid drawn brass cartridge but chambers the early two piece coil-foiled cartidge with 320 grain round ball.
Did you buy it? I have one (by Adams) and am curious about current values.
Is there a retailer's name on your rare .577? If you want to shoot it, you might be interested to know that .24 GA plastic shotgun shells cut to length and loaded with a round ball will chamber. No dies are needed.
577 Revolver
There is no retailers address on this one just serial numbers on all the bits. I was thinking of chopping down 577 snider cases but found they won't chamber as the drawn brass 577 did. The foil-coil tapers down narrower the length of the case. I'd like to try the .24 GA. Any idea's for the .500 Tranter revolver. I have a few I would like to shoot. Ted
Have you checked .50 S&W brass for the .500 Tranter?
The .577 revolver looks like alot of fun to shoot. Given the various laws in the U.S. a new handgun above .50 caliber would require alot of red-tape. That's not to say that a new.577 S&W revolver round would be all that necessary. .50 S&W and .50 AE appear to be ok to stop most T-Rex attacks. But I'm not at all sure about those Brontosauruses.......
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On the left is a .500 made from a S&W .500 cut down and rim thinned. On the right is a 24 GA cut down with scissors. It fits my .577 with no problem.
.500 revolver
Is that a heel base bullet for that .500 Tranter revolver cut down ? The blunt nose and lube groove looks nice. What is the bullet weight you have loaded?
Its a Thompson Center Maxi Ball. Not heel based but soft lead. Its contour is very much like the original that was used. I shoot them in a Webley RIC and a Belgium BD.
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