Will a Repro U.S krag rilfe stock fit on a Norwegian Krag rifle
Last edited by Dutchman; 10-25-2009 at 06:18 PM. Reason: edit title for index search purposes
"For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.
[Points to sword] But this....this you can trust!"
Conan the Barbarian, 1982
Long rifle stocks can be procured from time to time in Norway. carbine stocks are almost impossible to find, and reproductions cost $500.oo and you need an original to make a copy from.
richardmicrofitstocs lists a norwegian Krag as one of the stocks they will produce a stock for. They don't specify wether it is a carbine or long rifle that they inlet for.
they charge $49.00 to set up. If a group buy was organized perhaps they could cut a deal, but the LR stock sized blanks are impossible to find.
E-bay just had a long rifle stock go for $440.00 plus $50.00 shipping. Ouch!
Just a question.
What would you US guys say that would be the market price of a reproduced norwegian krag carabine 1912 stock? One complete with repro lug, bands etc.
For the right price, I might find it interrested enough to make some.
As little as we can get away with! LOL
I just discovered a hairline crack in the pistol grip of my M/1912 carbine. I don't know if it goes all the way through the grain or not but I'm thinking it might be best to relegate it to the job of "looker" instead of "shooter." Why take chances?
"For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men, not women, not beasts.
[Points to sword] But this....this you can trust!"
Conan the Barbarian, 1982
I would gladly pay around $300 for a decent 1912 repro stock and handguard.
Making repro stocks and accesories will probebly not make me rich, as will take a lot of work. But as hobby, well 300 for a stock would probebly be fair.
To make the bands and recoil cap etc, I will need more just to cover the tool (Cutting tools in the mill). There is a lot of machining on the carabine M1912 front band.
I do have parts to look at, so I need just to find the time to make the repro stock and parts. Any decent place to buy correct walnut raw materiel in US? I believe it will be cheaper to get Walnut from US, then buy here in Norway. Very expencieve.
Attached picture of some of the stuff I can use as model for repro.
As far as myself the only hardware that I would need would be the sheet metal part attached to the rear of the handguard wich slips into the reciever. Could try Calico hardwoods for blanks.
I will take a carbine stock. No handguard or metal needed. Also, as I am sure you know the triggerguard and rear sling swivel are different on the carbine so you can't copy the long rifle stock for these areas.
Please let me know the price and how long it will take.
And after I get it and find your craftsmanship to be good, I will take another right away.
Thank you, John
I will have the price for a carabine stock ready when I have the raw material price worked out. But somewere between 3-400 depending on what hardware put on (Probebly until first made and I recognize how much work there is). But, I calculate that this work will not give me any hi profit. I know that there is a lot of norwegian krags out there with lack of stock etc. So, why not help out and give the krags back their pride from their era, as I find it the best engineering design ever (Taken the time and era it was constructed/That judgement may also come from that I am Norwegian .)
Looked up Calico as menition of a forum member. Seems like they got some blanks for $35. Problem is the lenght, as the kragstock is long. Perhaps there is wood enough in one Calico Blank to have wod for a spline for the front end. Time to time I buy stuff from US, and use a carrier that either ship by air or sea. 4-5 blanks shipped by SEA for that freight company will be round $100. Overall, looks like one blank will be $60-70 delivered to me included the norweigian VAT. Must not forget that on top of that the freight of 4-5 blanks from were Calico are located, to Linden NJ were my carrier have their port.
Will look for others in finding decent walnut to decent price, and then I'll be back.
Last edited by mussonor; 02-28-2009 at 12:34 PM.
Looked round for wood that have the lenght, but not any succes yet. So, probebly a extension with a splize just where rear band is are the way to go.
A local supplier of blanks will import full stock blanks, but i susspect the price will be out of the limits.
So, probebly try to get som blanks from Calico. Not sure on how to pay them as I beleive they do not take credit card, only the US "check" way? Sure not PayPal?
Will try more for getting blanks with correct lenght, but it do not look so good.
Drawaing ready for the milling paths for the receiver , so blanks just needed. (Sketch attached for m94)
I asked member Ike to measure his recent 1912 carbine purchase. There are probably a dozen of us in the USA looking for a stock/handguard for our carbines. hard economic times right now might be a bigger problem as well as US customs import issues. apparantly somewhere along the way there have been some military stocks returned to shipper. I don't mean to your worthy project. There were 3 Krag internet sites on the web, but may be only two of them now.
Heel to fore end tip: 42 3/8 "
Handguard Edge to edge 22 1/8"
Mussonor , could you make a front band for a 1904 carbine ?
Front band, 1904?
Yes, I believe so. Have one as model to look after, if attached picture is for such band.
heck i would be in for 1 M1912 stock sets and metal!!!! i also need 1 stock set for a M43 NK and metal
update on raw material:
I've found a supplier in US, mailed with him this weekens. He will cut me blank with the correct lenght. A bit more expensieve then estimated ($90+shipment+tax), but still be in the range 300+ for a stock I believe. To keep as low cost as posible, the shipping time from US to Norway for the Walnut blanks is 4-5 weeks (Go with boat).
Will be back with more details when the blanks is on its way (Ordered 4 blanks)
Most of the people in the market for 1912 carbine stocks are also in need of handguards.
This forum in the past has organized "group buys" and indeed it might be quite a bit cheaper to send the stocks in such a group buy to one person in the USA rather than to each individual. \
|Here is the html to the kragcollectors associaion websight where you might try posting for more intererst. I only look at there site a couple times a year.
Last edited by gil; 03-16-2009 at 01:23 PM.
It might be a good idea to find someone to handle this who has an import license. I believe one is needed for items over $100. If we needed one it may be easier for one person, rather than each one of us individualy. Am not sure that it would be needed, but it maybe should be checked into.
Just got confirmation that the blanks are sent today to my mailbox in NJ.
I will then have the blanks here the first week of May. Will start to cut almoust imidiate after that.
The net price for me when blanks finally here will be $140/each. (Norwegian vat is 25%:eek:, far more then you guys have) 140 include the v.a.t and shipment for NJ to Norway.
Shipment of 1 stock to US at current exchangerate is $60. Each extra kilogram cost $11, so if I sent 4 stocks, there is approx $175 to save.
But, first I have to cut the stock.
(Update March 26th: Bill from carrier arrived. Final cost for one blank ends in $137.)
Last edited by mussonor; 03-26-2009 at 04:59 PM.
I knew I had a drawing some were of the front band/bayonet lug/sight hood/protection made for the sharpshooter M23 krag. Picture of drawing attached.
The drawing I got is traced in 1974. I can use the measures from the drawing as guide when making m1912 front bands.
For the upcomming wood work making the 4 krag stocks, I have sharpened all my woodwork chisels, and are ready to cut. Last update from carrier is that the walnut blanks will be here round May 7 or 8th.
Yesterday the blanks for the repro project came as estimated from the shipping company. They are oversized, so a lot of wood to carve.
I will start to rough them to day, trim the blanks with a saw so there is less to grind/carve.
The stock put in front of one of the blanks is for a comming "Stomperud" krag project for a board forum member.
If/when I find time, I will put up some pictures of the progress with the stocks. Some weeks more progress then others, as this is done on my spare time as hobby work. But in the end I will be finnished, and hopefully come out with 4 nice stocks.
Last edited by mussonor; 05-10-2009 at 02:10 AM.
Progress is made on the project of making carabine stocks.
As model I got two stocks, one modified (In 1961) with a M23 grip, the other original but cut just in front of the rear band. Also I got a M1912 nose band.
To night I just were to put on the nose band to the full stock I've got, but it do not fit. Then I looked up in the Hanevik book, and as I knew there were some mods on this.
So, the question is, for what type on front band should I make the stocks. I presume there is different styles out there. Seems like there is two diff dimentions for the wood. From 1918 they started to use the reinforced nose band, and the style on the stock I've got match that one.
In principle, if you got a rifle from before 1918, the style should be as the 1912 noseband I got. If later, the style should be as the front of the stock I've got.
Also, from serial 16679 they started to use a new type of handguard, splited in two. The long one from 1912 were more expensieve to produce and had "strain/stress" so it cracked more easy then the mod from 1918. So, logic to split it.
Attaced picture of the 1912 noseband "on" a reinforced style stock front end. If making front ends to extend sporterized stocks or complete stocks, this detail have to be sorted out in order to get an historical correct style or to fit the nose band each and one have got in their possession.
I have a barreled action, Norwegian M1912, that needs either a military or a sporter stock. The action and barrel are in great shape and have matching numbers. I would prefer to go military but if sporter stock is all I can find so-ge-it. This rifle is begging to be shot.
Any help out there??? Thanks, Jack
Finding an original complete m1912 carabine stock is very hard. Sporterized m1894 come up now and then, also full lenght m94, but more rare.
I am making 4 repro stocks M1912 at the moment. 3 are booked (Prob one who ordered takes two?) In addition you need the bands and handguard.
Also got sporterized m94, cut down in lenght and made more grip, but putting a m1912 receiver into it need some wood work (Dia adjustmend in the wood for the front, as carabine do not have the ring for handguard in front of receiver.)
To day start to mill/cut in for the receiver in the blanks. Had to make an extention on my desktop milling machine in order to get the mill high enough. The first receiver takes most time. Then the three others will go faster, I hope.
As with all my project, they take much more time then estimated. Working on the blanks eat houers on my "hobbytime". Must take care, can not afford to make any fault.
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I kind of thought that "chicken teeth" were easier to obtain. Do you have an FFL? If so what would you charge for a sporter stock, I send you my barreled receiver, bedded? Thanks for the help, I do appreciate it. Regards, Jack
To day I cut two of the stocks barrel channel.
I'm satisfied with the clearense I managed to get, 0.5mm (0.002") from rear to front. Took me all day, but the project moves foreward.
Tomorrow I hope to make the last two blanks.
Slowely there is progress. I've made the grip on all blanks, and now working on the rear. The next step will be to cut in for the buttplate. The carabine is far more complex to cut in then the plain one on the m94.
Next week I start my summer holiday, so I will make, more progress then.
They look like they are coming along well.
Keep up the good work!
Progress made on the Krag 1912/16 carabine stock repro project.
When cutting the barrel channel on one of the stock, "black wood" came up, and it goes all the way thru to the out side.
The supplier of the blanks will actually send me a new for free (I have to pay shippment and tax thou). So I still have 4 blanks. Lost some work made on that blanks.
Have cut in the receivers on three (one was the one with the black wood). Also fit one with the but plate. I have 4 different butplates, and they are not equal. There will probebly be necessary to do some trim on the stock to fit the acctual butplate that you got.
The inlet of the receiver is made 99%, should not be needed to do anny bedding. I studuied the drawing of the receiver in the Hanevik book, and noticed a detail I've never taken in mind, as only been bedding the krags for sport in sport stocks earlier. On right hand side, the recoil "lug-WOOD" plane is 92 degrees. I have taken that in mind when cutting out for the receiveer.
Sounds and looks great. I really do wish that I had some kind of talent.
Your work looks great. If the "black wood" problem is ultimately cosmetics and not structural and can be fixed with either wood or modern epoxies I am sure you can find a home for it here on the other side of the pond. Stockmakers here sell their "seconds" at a discounted price. Assuming it is not at the thinnest point right below the reciever it should be useable.
I met a Norwegian national working here in Alaska as a telephone contractor at a gunshow this weekend who owns several Krags, but cannot get them here to the US because of regulations. including a 22 caliber Krag!!
Those stocks seem to be coming along well, very nice work.:D
Been working on the receiver inlet and trim of the inlet to make it look OK.
I hope the inlet I do is so that the rifles just can be put in and be shoot with. But a bedding under the three screws would not do any harm thou.
In two or three weeks time I hope to rough some handguard that I fit to the stocks for those of you that did not have handguard.
Fitting in the receivers and the but plates takes more time then roughing out the stock. But, if I do not run into any problems or unseen events in the "normal" life, I hope the stocks should be finished on 6-8 weeks time now.
How are the stocks coming along? Very interesting reading.
First, remember this is all a spare time hobby. Result is that my planing is always down the "drain", but progress made every weekend.
All receivers cut in and fit fairly tight. I imagine that some final adjustments in the the end have to be done by "customer" as there might be some small diff from their receiver and the 1898 I use for adjustment after milling out.
Have them all fit for the steel butt plate. I recently got some buttplates simular to the karabine 1912 but for the sniper 1923. Only differense from the karabine buttplate and the sniper m23 is that it have some shatter made, it is not flatt steel. I find that the shape between the plates varies so even thou I have made a close fit for the steel but plate I have, there might be needed some final fit at the end.
I've made the finger groove on the side of barrel channel. What left is the trigger guard, cut for the sling swivel at rear, drill the very long hole for the cleaning rod, and cut in the front barrel band. Then make handguard for those of you needing one. I've found material for that.
Then, finally, decide the finish. The best is perhaps all of you that now get one make the final top coat, so you can use the oil you like and also get the finish you want.
This final small things should not take so long "on paper", but it's sure time consuming as first time I make stock like this that need to get close in dimention as original. Much easier to make stock in "free style".
I've spent a lot more houers then expected, and will probebly spend a few more then I expect too, but they will be finnished one day so some krag m1912 again can be back in "business" again.
Roghed the barrel channel i three blanks for handguard. Made outsside contour on one of the handguard.
I left some wood were the metal clip for the handguard supposed to be. This will support the handguard, and can be cut of when a clip is found.
Next weekend I will rough the outside of the second and if lucky the last as well.
With the handguards in place, the work to fit the nose band can start. Finally drill the long hole for the cleaning rod.
I edited the message title for clarity and search purposes.
Also made it a sticky.
Mussonor is doing a wonderful job with these stocks.
Realized that I had to fit in front band in order to make correct lenght of the handuard.As mentioned, there is three configuration og the fore end:
- The 1912 were the stock goes "flush" with the band
- The one with M/1916 stock inforcement band and stock flush with the inforcement band
- The 1918 were the nose band and reinforcement is merged and thet nose band do not have to be filled into the stock.
This weekend I made a front on one of the stocks as the first configuration. This config should match all receivers from 1912 to 1916 with serial bellow 8800.
Karabines made 1916 to 1918 with seriel 8800 to 16678 will match the second style. (One 1916 serial 14764 on GB show rifle with 1912 stock and the 1916 reinforcement band, so there seem to have been 1912 stocks even in 1916)
All from 1918 and serial 16679 were fit with the merged reinforced nose band, and sould fit the third configuration.
Also made a second handguard, so a good weekend regarding progress.
Last edited by mussonor; 11-08-2009 at 03:37 PM. Reason: An 1916 sold on GB with serial 14764 have the 1912 style stock.
Beside prepearing for winter and pile up some firing wood for the winter, I made one more handguard and fit the first stock for the trigger guard.
I start to see the end of this project, and hope the stocks will do their job in the end.
Anyone have a picture of how the front end of the handguard look like, is it ramped in under the nose band? I have made is so, but never seen a original full lenght handguard, so not realty shore how it should look.
ok hear are the pics. I have the gun apart to fix the crack so enjoy the pics let me know if any other angle's are needed.
Last edited by vaughn99; 11-10-2009 at 07:55 PM.