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    Default Israeli Defense Force (IDF) M14 (M21 style) sniper transit case and rifle

    Good Day and Merry Christmas to All,
    While cleaning a few rifles today, I had a chance to pull out my "Israeli Defense Force M14" transit case and faux M21 sniper rifle. The case is functionally reminiscent of the British No4(T) but the lid detaches completely and is manufactured out of fiberglass. The handles appear to have been made from slings of Lee Enfield rifles. It is designed to store and transport the rifle with the scope and bipod installed (which I'm missing). The lid is relieved so it does not interfere with the scope. Additionally, there is provision for four M14 magazines in the forward portion of the case and a cleaning rod (via two steel clips) stored in the lid.

    The stock and mount are original Israeli and so marked. The scope is a Kahles Zf69 with the correct reticle.

    Can anyone translate the Hebrew markings on the outside of the transit case?

    Best Regards,
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    Very cool accessory you got there sir.
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    Actually pretty straight forward, right to left:

    Box for Sniper Rifle M-14
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    That's neat! I've only seen the padded IDF M14 cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller Tyme View Post
    Very cool accessory you got there sir.
    +1!!

    nice find, and nice setup on that rifle!
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    Thank you for these pictures. The bipod to my knowledge is a plain bipod. I don‘t think they are even marked at all, would need to check my two rifles which still have them present.

    Is your scope really a Kahles scope, or a licensed copy by Photonics?

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    Default Kahles Zf69 scope on Israeli M14 sniper

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFromSheffield View Post
    Thank you for these pictures. The bipod to my knowledge is a plain bipod. I don‘t think they are even marked at all, would need to check my two rifles which still have them present.

    Is your scope really a Kahles scope, or a licensed copy by Photonics?
    Happy Boxing Day,

    Thank you to Johnny C for the transit case translation!

    Regarding DaveFromSheffield's question, The scope is marked Kahles. How are the Photonics licensed copies marked or is it a specific serial number range. When you have time, please let us know what style of Harris Bipod the Israeli's used with their M-14.
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    I have also seen those cases with us markings.

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    The ones that came from Springfield had these bipods. I think they are the ones originally used by the Israelis but not 100% certain.

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    The box is cool. What is the certificate on the 2nd picture???
    Quote Originally Posted by jjjxlr8 View Post
    The ones that came from Springfield had these bipods. I think they are the ones originally used by the Israelis but not 100% certain.

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    Springfield Armory imported a bunch of Israeli sniper parts kits and made them into these limited edition "IDF" snipers. They made new receivers that are uniquely marked and built up the rifles with the surplus parts. I think the barrels were new production, not the original, though. The certificate is from Springfield Armory.

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    Good Day All,
    I was at Camp Perry around 02 and stepped into the Springfield Armory building on vendors row. They had a stack of the IDF "soft" cases pictured and other former Israeli M14 bits. I think they were asking $100 for the cases. Instead I purchased a number of the steel IDF 26mm scope mounts for $35 ea. Its still one of the most indestructible mounts I've worked with.
    Best Always,
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    Michael, do you still happen to have a spare mount? Sorry, had forgot to check the bipod on my rifle, will hopefully get to check within the next few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlightRN View Post
    Happy Boxing Day,

    Thank you to Johnny C for the transit case translation!

    Regarding DaveFromSheffield's question, The scope is marked Kahles. How are the Photonics licensed copies marked or is it a specific serial number range. When you have time, please let us know what style of Harris Bipod the Israeli's used with their M-14.
    Best Regards,
    Mike
    I have what I believe is a Photonics M14 scope with Nimrod reticle. It still has its original rubber sun shade.



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    Attached the pictures of a bipod as used by the IDF (rifle came like this from Israel).
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    Here is the bipod on my SP66, exactly as it came from Israel









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    Another IDF soldier with the SP66, with a bipod


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    I have an identical M14 transit case, but was told it was an ARVN sniper case. It had already been repainted (long ago) when I got it, and I’ve yet to find a way to read to stencilled letters that are just *barely* visible in a strong cross light. The script looked like Vietnamese to me, but I’ll have to take a closer look now and compare with your photos.

    Been looking for more info on the case, so I’m glad to have run across your post.

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    i have one of those scopes same cat number on it 100086042 who made these scopes and where. The serial number on the one i have is 93041488 with some sort of symbol at the end.It as the rubber cover on the bell .In my searching i have found that it is likle a zf 96 made for the Isralie military and the m14 rifle .
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlightRN View Post
    Good Day and Merry Christmas to All,
    While cleaning a few rifles today, I had a chance to pull out my "Israeli Defense Force M14" transit case and faux M21 sniper rifle. The case is functionally reminiscent of the British No4(T) but the lid detaches completely and is manufactured out of fiberglass. The handles appear to have been made from slings of Lee Enfield rifles. It is designed to store and transport the rifle with the scope and bipod installed (which I'm missing). The lid is relieved so it does not interfere with the scope. Additionally, there is provision for four M14 magazines in the forward portion of the case and a cleaning rod (via two steel clips) stored in the lid.

    The stock and mount are original Israeli and so marked. The scope is a Kahles Zf69 with the correct reticle.

    Can anyone translate the Hebrew markings on the outside of the transit case?

    Best Regards,
    Mike
    have a very similar case, same design, but with us markings and in wood . similar storage areas . also a art2 that was made for the Israeli's (slightly different reticle) assume it was for the m14s given the mount
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    I don’t know much about Israeli Sniper rifles other than the Galil Sniper variants, but I see on eBay there is a Schmidt and Bender 2.5-10x56 with IDF markings. Would this have been used with the SP66? I’ve only ever seen that rifle with Nimrod scopes.

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    From my collection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-M View Post
    From my collection.

    amazing collection Tom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjmd View Post
    amazing collection Tom.
    Thanks! Had them for 25 years or so. Anyone know what they sell for these days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-M View Post
    Thanks! Had them for 25 years or so. Anyone know what they sell for these days?
    if I had to guess I would say 1500 to 2200 per.. could be way low

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjmd View Post
    if I had to guess I would say 1500 to 2200 per.. could be way low
    Wow!!!! I was thinking like $1000-1200.

    Looked up on Gunbroker - only found a mount, sans any scope, that sold for $560.

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/865547872

    Wonder what my USGI M21 setups are worth now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-M View Post
    Wow!!!! I was thinking like $1000-1200. Wonder what my USGI M21 setups are worth now?
    That's a realistic value I think, especially as these are the more common Nimrod scopes

    A couple of the complete Springfield IDF marked M1A rifles, complete with case, IDF stock, mount, scope, bipod, etc, sold recently in the $2500-$3000 range

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    I sold mine 3 years ago for $4K. I took the wrinkle off , brought the stock to perfect condition and bedded the action. Shot unfrikkin' believeable groups out to 600, and it was the dumbest rifle sale I ever did.
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    A different M14 Israeli Wood Case, that my 66SP actually was shipped in from Springfield !! Anybody give me an idea what the Hebrew says? I also have the more common soft case. Thank, Skid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom-M View Post
    Wow!!!! I was thinking like $1000-1200.

    Looked up on Gunbroker - only found a mount, sans any scope, that sold for $560.

    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/865547872

    Wonder what my USGI M21 setups are worth now?
    ART or ART II?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyman1903 View Post
    ART or ART II?
    Thinking they are an ARTEL and ART II? Need to dig them out of the safe again.
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    bottom one looks like an ART,
    redfield 3x9, ballistic cam set up on the mount for M118, on a single screw mount,

    note, not a tombstone accurange, but a redfield with the stadia lines for ranging


    the green case is for an ART II and marked that way, the scope looks like an ART II

    should be marked on the side of the turret ART II,


    I have an identical set, with proper can for each, in the safe,

    I have pics on another laptop, will try to remember to post pics tomorrow,

    last I checked, prices were a bit higher for each than mentioned above,
    however as you know prices can be cyclical
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