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    AM PANHARD 201 40P




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    Panhard designed this 8-wheel vehicle to meet requirements to a light and fast combat car. The only prototype appeared in 1939. Armament : one 37 mm cannon SA 38, one MG 7,5 mm / Crew: 2 men / Armor: 60mm / Speed: 80 km/h.
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    French destroyer "L'adroit"




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    French destroyer "L'adroit" after fatal Stuka attack. Malo-les-Bains/France, June 1940.
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    The Manouchian Group




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    Manouchian and his companions refused the bandage on eyes.......Twenty two men are killed in Mont-Valérien on February 21st, 1944.
    (all FTP-MOI members (FTP:Franc Tireurs Partisans(the French Communist Resistance)-MOI:Main d'Oeuvre Immigrée = Immigrant workers movement).

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    • HOS Bandit (Sat 23 Jan 2010 01:43:03 PM EST)
      show summary That they were executed by firing squad, (weather justly or injustly) shows that the officer wasn't too worried about the photo. They weren't shot out of hand, (summarily executed) so as far as he was concerned, he observed the rules of engagement regarding partisans, armed civilians..



    • saints1 (Fri 22 Jan 2010 12:50:04 PM EST)
      Did the officer in the firing party knew that this was being taken?Who took the pic I wonder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by curly1 View Post
    French destroyer "L'adroit"




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    French destroyer "L'adroit" after fatal Stuka attack. Malo-les-Bains/France, June 1940.

    Guess could (and should) look it up, but looks like it took a bomb in the forward magazines and they blew up. Looks sort of like USS Shaw after she blew up in the floating drydock at Pearl.

    OK - did look it up. 1927 vintage vessel, beached following attack by He-111s, and forward magazines blew up after beaching.
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    French resistance with a Thompson




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    A female member of the French resistance with German tunic and Thompson machine gun.
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    French SS




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    French ss soldiers on the eastern front. (Wehrmacht39)

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      show summary At the end of war, the surviving members of the 33rd Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS Charlemagne were executed by the Free French forces. During combat on the Eastern front, two members of the unit were awarded the Knight's Cross. The unit never reached divisional strength. It's lineage stemmed from an SS volunteer brigade and the Legion des Volontaires Francais (aka Army Infantry Regiment 638 in the order of battle).
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    French women partisan




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    French women partisan in color.She is in the French section photo titled "French Resistance".

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    ARL44

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    • geminif4ucorsair (Fri 06 May 2011 12:20:47 PM EDT)
      show summary Yes, they were produced post-war. IIRC, the first were begun in 1947 and combine the basic CHAR B (with some mod's) with what I believe is the British 17-pdr., though when I first saw a write-up on this decades ago, the writer thought it was a 75-mm.
      The appearance of the tank, only a battalion was on display and that is probably all that was built, coincides with initial testing of the AMX-10 FL-10 turret light tank. That became a very large program. The existence of large numbers of wartime ex-US M4 Sherman tanks were wearing out - creating a greater need to find a replacement tank (AMX-10) than the urgency of developing a new heavy or medium tank.
      The ARL44 was from the beginning an interim solution to the need for a heavy tank. Thus, eventually the AMX-30 program solved this requirement for a new medium MBT.



    • Dixie Devil (Mon 23 Mar 2009 12:09:31 PM EDT)
      This is most likely from the Bastille Day parade July 14th 1951. That is supposed to be the only public appearance of ARL 44 .
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    Char 2C




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    A monstrous French 68-ton Char 2C or Char de Rupture (breakthrough tank) of 51. Bataillon de Chars de Combat, captured by the Germans in the Champagne, summer 1940. Only ten of these were build, all were named after historical French provinces. The vehicle in the picture is tank 91 "Provence".
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    French SS




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      show summary At the end of war, the surviving members of the 33rd Waffen-Grenadier Division der SS Charlemagne were executed by the Free French forces. During combat on the Eastern front, two members of the unit were awarded the Knight's Cross. The unit never reached divisional strength. It's lineage stemmed from an SS volunteer brigade and the Legion des Volontaires Francais (aka Army Infantry Regiment 638 in the order of battle).
    Belgian not French, but Guy Sajer's The Forgotten Soldier is on the prerequisites list for all advanced Big One, European Theater students. It's 25+ years but "heartbreaking" was my strongest takeaway, not uncommon with such tales, as those on this thread know far more than most.

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    For me the worst 20th century example of "picking the wrong side" were the immigrant or first generation "Red Finns" in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and surrounding region who went back to help Uncle Joe build the Soviet workers paradise in the 1930s. It did not end well, as related below. Regulars on this and certain Moison threads may not be surprised to hear where many of them ended up: Soviet Karelia.

    Forgotten Americans of the Russian North
    Nearly 10,000 Finnish-Americans emigrated to the Soviet Union in the 1930s to build a socialist utopia; a few remain, with bitter tales


    April 13, 1993
    By Justin Burke Special to The Christian Science Monitor
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    ..."They were crazy with idealism - they thought they would help build socialism here," Mirjam says. "It was a tragedy for every family that came here."

    ..."It doesn't help to torture yourself with such thoughts," Elmer adds. "But at times I'm bitter. You curse [yourself] for leaving the States."


    I guess!
    Tragic, but hard to help eye-rolling.

    The arm on that girl with the Thompson looks like she's been carrying it for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tempest2 View Post
    Belgian not French, but Guy Sajer's The Forgotten Soldier is on the prerequisites list for all advanced Big One, European Theater students. It's 25+ years but "heartbreaking" was my strongest takeaway, not uncommon with such tales, as those on this thread know far more than most.

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    For me the worst 20th century example of "picking the wrong side" were the immigrant or first generation "Red Finns" in Michigan's Upper Peninsula and surrounding region who went back to help Uncle Joe build the Soviet workers paradise in the 1930s. It did not end well, as related below. Regulars on this and certain Moison threads may not be surprised to hear where many of them ended up: Soviet Karelia.

    Forgotten Americans of the Russian North
    Nearly 10,000 Finnish-Americans emigrated to the Soviet Union in the 1930s to build a socialist utopia; a few remain, with bitter tales


    April 13, 1993
    By Justin Burke Special to The Christian Science Monitor
    from PETROZAVODSK, RUSSIA
    https://www.csmonitor.com/1993/0413/13061.html

    ..."They were crazy with idealism - they thought they would help build socialism here," Mirjam says. "It was a tragedy for every family that came here."

    ..."It doesn't help to torture yourself with such thoughts," Elmer adds. "But at times I'm bitter. You curse [yourself] for leaving the States."


    I guess!
    Tragic, but hard to help eye-rolling.

    The arm on that girl with the Thompson looks like she's been carrying it for a while.
    "Sajer" was apparently half-French, half-German, and raised in Alsace. His book is (apparently) a memoir with some questions as to factuality. I've known a few people who were on Ost-Front, both Waffen-SS and Wehrmacht. They told me the book has the feel of somebody who was there.
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    I've seen articles where Sajer has been criticised, but having read a fair few authentic accounts on the Eastern campaign, he seem to have a pretty good grasp on what happened there.
    The piece where he and his fellow comrades are being quizzed by MP's and how individuals ended up being sent to a punishment battalion, is sobering.

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    Captured Voroshilovets




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    A Hungarian soldier (artillery corporal) with a captured Soviet heavy tractor Voroshilovets.
    The Voroshilovets is a Soviet tracked prime mover. The tracked chassis was very useful in the Russian climate with its mud in the summer and snow in the winter.
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    Nimrod AA tank




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    information about this picture is unclear but it was used by Hungarian forces

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    • Gulfview (Thu 27 Apr 2017 12:45:28 PM EDT)
      The vehicle was built in Hungary around a Swedish-designed 40 mm automatic cannon also domestically made. It was a very effective weapon against low flying planes, and sometimes it was pressed into anti-tank service, but much less successfully.
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    bandoned Hungarian Tank




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    russian soldier inspecting a Abandoned Hungarian Turan Tank in a train, eastern front 1944

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    • Tamas Polgar (Sat 18 Aug 2018 10:02:28 PM EDT)
      show summary Hungarian tanks were really not that powerful, but the Hungarian army employed various other methods to fight Soviet tanks throughout the years.

      I've met an old Hungarian veteran in 1995 who was a tanker, a driver. He told me that although the Toldi was crap, the T-34 also wasn't as formidable as they later claimed. He said that they usually kept a few Panzerfausts in their tank and if they encountered a T-34, they disembarked and attacked it on foot while their own tank kept the infantry away. He described a skirmish in which they not only destroyed the T-34 but managed to open and look into it, seeing the burnt bodies of the Soviet tankmen.

      At other times the Hungarians used rockets fired from small caliber AA guns, and later a special rocket called "mace projectile" (buzogánylövedék) or "Szálasi-rocket" (after the name of the Hungarian Nazi head of state). The latter was a large unguided rocket which could overturn a T-34 even if it exploded 20-30 meters away from it. It was also used as an air-to-air missile, with an ingenious proximity detonator which used a microphone to detect the rumbling of the engines of an American bomber.




    • Chevan (Mon 07 Aug 2017 08:53:47 AM EDT)
      I was meaning medium distances 300-600 metres



    • Gulfview (Sat 05 Aug 2017 09:06:26 PM EDT)
      The Turan 2 had no trouble knocking out a T-34 from a few hundred yards.



    • Chevan (Fri 04 Aug 2017 04:24:56 AM EDT)
      I strongly doubt his castrated gun may be danger soviet neither for T-34/85 nor for Sherman even on medium distances. Howere IMO it could ve effective as self-propelled howitzer.



    • Gulfview (Thu 27 Apr 2017 01:00:13 PM EDT)
      show summary This is a Turan II second generation Hungarian-manufactured tank. It was expected to counter the Soviet T-34 successfully, at its 75mm cannon was powerful enough for it, but because of the short barrel, it was inaccurate beyond a few hundred yards, giving enemy tanks with a much longer range an edge in battle. It was not until Budapest built the Zrinyi II 105mm assault howitzer that the T-34's had a very dangerous opponent, although at shorter ranges.
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    Hungarian soldier with solothurn 31M.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curly1 View Post
    Captured Voroshilovets




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    A Hungarian soldier (artillery corporal) with a captured Soviet heavy tractor Voroshilovets.
    The Voroshilovets is a Soviet tracked prime mover. The tracked chassis was very useful in the Russian climate with its mud in the summer and snow in the winter.
    Wish I had one of those Hungarian Solothurn LMGs which became the common Luftwaffe medium bomber mount with a twin drum and super high rate of fire. Hungary adopted it in their own smokeless battle rifle cartridge and took it to the Eastern front. A Louis Strange product, like the FG. Pure art in my book, deadly purpose notwithstanding.

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    #6045 - Hungary were represented at a demonstration of the Bofors from 1934 onwards and obtained their first production licence in 1935. The Bofors gun (36M) were produced by MAVAG (State Railways) centre at Diosgyor. In mid 1943 production was dispersed and were assembled at Diosgyor, with production reaching 40 guns per month by March 1944.
    Some 262 guns were delivered to the Germans, plus spare barrels, and a number were passed from them to their Romanian Allies.

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    Hungarian soldier with Danuvia machine gun (Király géppisztoly).
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    Hungarian 43M Zrinyi II Assault Gun




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    43M Zrinyi II assault gun at the Artillery Facility site in Hungary,
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    The Hungarians received several Belgian anti-tank guns from the Germans. IIRC, the guns were quite effective for their caliber, but suffered from a fragile targeting system.

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      show summary The guns arrived with only minimal spare parts,no sights or limbers.The Hungarian Army wanted to use the guns against Russian medium tanks.It was the second version of the 47mm gun with the improved recoil brake.Another problem for the Hungarians was that they wanted to use the guns being towed by horses,however the guns were designed to be towed by vehicles.So by 1941 the guns had been relegated to second line duties/reserve units.(info from Axis History Forum)
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    Hungarian built ww2 tank prototype Turán III.

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    • Gulfview (Fri 06 Jan 2012 07:06:16 PM EST)
      Yes, because its cannon was short, the earlier Turan II was not an accurate shot. It must have been fun sneaking up on a T-34 -- poor guys.
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    Zrinyi II Attack Gun, Hungary




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    A rare high quality photo of the Hungarian-made Zrinyi II attack howitzer. With its 105 mm gun and machine guns, it served well in infantry support battles, and its anti-tank shell proved to be a very successful T-34 killer at normal distances. The number of units small Hungary was able to produce, however, were woefully low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curly1 View Post
    Nimrod AA tank




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    information about this picture is unclear but it was used by Hungarian forces

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      The vehicle was built in Hungary around a Swedish-designed 40 mm automatic cannon also domestically made. It was a very effective weapon against low flying planes, and sometimes it was pressed into anti-tank service, but much less successfully.
    We did some testing of 40mm Bofors as an anti-tank gun. Talked to some of the guys who did the testing at APG while I was doing summer sessions there getting Ordnance Advanced Course (same time I was in law school). A warrant who had been in my battalion in SEA was involved, he had comments. Basically, worked fine as an ambush hunter, but better be prepared to scoot very quickly after shooting. Said a mixture of HE-I(T) and two kinds of AP (AP-I and APDS with a penetrator about 15mm in diameter) would disable an M-48 with a flanking burst (they were using M-42 Dusters for the test guns), with usually some penetrations, out to about 400-500 meters. Frontally, not so good, though fair chance of immobilizing the target by breaking the tracks, and maybe damaging FC. Archie said it was great fun on the test range, but not something he'd want to go to war with.
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    The Austrians got hold of a Landsverk Strvv L-62 to be converted to an AA role, which eventually became known as the 40M Nimrod legvedelmi harlosi. It was manufactured at MAVAG, the prototype being delivered during October 1941.
    The Nimrod had it's shortcomings as an AT platform. Each Hungarian armoured division had a "tank hunter" battalion with 3 Nimrod batteries, each with 6 vehicles. A further 8 were held at armoured regimental level.
    In all 134 were produced excluding the prototype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curly1 View Post
    Zrinyi II Attack Gun, Hungary




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    A rare high quality photo of the Hungarian-made Zrinyi II attack howitzer. With its 105 mm gun and machine guns, it served well in infantry support battles, and its anti-tank shell proved to be a very successful T-34 killer at normal distances. The number of units small Hungary was able to produce, however, were woefully low.
    Man, this and that Hungarian assault gun look like some serious hardware. I think this about all late war assault guns, that it evokes a later generation's Swedish S tank (Stridsvagn 103), minus the armor, etc. Time would have seen sloped armor and who knows - impressive for a small nation. Hungarians traditionally were good at cavalry. :-)
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