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    Default Armslist Scam. Never buy on Armslist.

    Wasnt sure where to post this but wanted maybe help someone before the same happens to them. DO NOT. DO NOT BUY ON ARMSLIST. I checked the seller out best I could and I still got robbed. Of course Armslist warning saying his post was flagged as a scam came too late. Here is all the info I have.
    Name: Mel
    Email: [email protected]
    Paypal: [email protected]
    Cashapp: $Meliver85
    Location: Flint, MI

    Once I paid he never would ship. I hope this helps someone. I lost $495 to him.

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    You should only buy in person, on ARMSLIST due to the high number of scammers. I've found some great items on ARMSLIST, though.

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    Even thats not a good Idea. Ive heard of several no shows. There are lots of cool stuff just not enough honest people.

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    Armslist is a pool of scammers, and no matter how many times you report the scammers, nothing is done. There is a fake scammer K98 sniper within driving distance of me and Ive spammed it ten times over weeks along with the other scam ads, and nothing is done,

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    Yeah. The listing I got scammed on I received an email 6 days after I first sent about the listing saying its been flagged as a scam. By that time I done lost my money.

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    Sorry you lost out on the cash, it’s a risk you take not buying in person....Most of my collection has been bought/traded on Armslist and I have done quite well.... the 3-4 transactions I have done out of state have all been successful but there is always that thought during the process that nothing is Guaranteed.......

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    Well you got lucky or blessed. I wanted to try it as a couple of my friends had good luck on there but I got burned. It happens quite often on there from what I have heard. I dont blame Armslist. I mostly blame myself for not being able to see it as a scam.

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    Learn a lesson to only pay money for guns to people who are shipping you a gun by USPS money order. I do it every time to cover my ass in case this happens. I've had people tell me they only want to do PayPal or cashapp and I say no. MO only. It'll save you the heartache brother next time. It helped me once already $350 worth.

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    So what is your recourse when you pay by USPS MO if they don't ship?

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    File a claim. And they can check and see who deposited it where and when. And you can get a refund.

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    Pretty much an investigation into it.

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    Post office money orders.
    .try scamming with a post office govt. check..
    maybe things changed over the years..??
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    Have you had issues with it DK Phillips? Ive only bought arms over the internet for 2 years now. Im not sure if they've have problems farther back.

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    I ask em for photo with dollar bill through trigger guard. If they actually have item its a simple request. I dont know why whoever owns and runs armslist is such a lazy careless person. Ive grown tired of trying to sell nice militaria at shows, but if owner of site lets it run wild why pay for a storefront?

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    Can't really argue with that.. Ill do the same thing too ask em to show something like that. But that doesn't mean they'll send the gun if you send the money.

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    Mason ..
    Been out of the picture dealing with individuals on internet long while..
    this example I’ve not encountered..
    ive found over 40 plus years..post office money orders Extra security ..

    bought one rifle last year..off internet bidding sit.
    .paid with brother-in-law bank card..I paid him..

    ( I didn’t know all this technology involved with auction’s..he was..more in the know.).
    I bid once..then I jumped to $200 buy now above others, thinking it was a Carl Gustaf Swede.
    .no other bids three days ..
    ID rare missed labeled husquvarna prototype, still so far still un documented!
    ..a new concept for rifle never produced..
    .gustaf built one..with different rear stock concept, keeping front end..)

    back to my point :
    if it was an individual I will would still use post office..
    they wont except it..then keep it..
    You have documentation by govt..payment to all the need individual location..
    place it in atf hands you have two govt..resources ..bull dogging teeming the sly fox den..<>< dan
    hope this helps..
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    Yeah I regret not using a MO but this guy seemed like a legit seller. Had Armslist notification saying it was scam or had been flagged as one actually worked Id would still have my money but the stupid email came 4 days after I paid.

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    Ive flagged the k98 sniper out of texas at least fifteen times in last few months, along with all the bogus G43 ads,,,no response,,,more would be paid sellers if he actually did something or had volunteers to do something about it. If people would just ask for a "custom photo" dollar bill through trigger guard, that would prevent the majority of fraud, cant post it if they dont have it
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    Thats true. Ive never thought of that till I seen it mentioned. But Ill never shop on Armslist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjxlr8 View Post
    You should only buy in person, on ARMSLIST due to the high number of scammers. I've found some great items on ARMSLIST, though.
    I have bought a number of nice items priced well through Armslist - but always face to face. You can be scammed buying online from any site so you have to be very careful with that. I have bought a couple items from this board, but after researching the seller to see that they have been around a while and sold stuff in the past.

    It is hard to get scammed in a face to face transaction where gun is inspected and payment is in cash. As far as sending money off to somebody you don't know far away hoping to get something, you need to be careful no matter where the listing originates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManInACornor View Post
    Even thats not a good Idea. Ive heard of several no shows. There are lots of cool stuff just not enough honest people.
    At least on a no show you're not out any money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masonhaggerty3 View Post
    File a claim. And they can check and see who deposited it where and when. And you can get a refund.
    Not 100% sure on that! Long story short back in 1979 a comp had a ad in TV guide for some new mens watches very cheap, this was about 5 weeks before Christmas and I ordered 2 for my brothers as gits and used a USPS Money Order for $69. (lot of $ back then) !

    2 weeks later I called them and order delayed the Secretary said, then another week later called again and was assured they would be here for Christmas but a week before Christmas same story. They never came so I bought other gifts 2 days before Christmas.

    Well finally after Christmas was able to get in touch with Company again and they said Sorry but there were so many sold and they ran out but mine would be shipped next few weeks etc..

    By that time the Phone was disconnected and I called Post Office and was told to see a Postal Inspector downtown and they took my name, number etc.. and was told they will work on the issue. 1 month later big story in TV Guide saying this Comp was a Huge scam and the owner left country with Millions etc..

    Six yrs. later (yes 6 yrs. later) accidentally saw another story in TV guide again saying the BI cought te dude but most of the $$ Money was gone and most victims would not get it back.

    I called the Postal Inspector and told him about the dude being caught etc... about 6 months later had to go to the Postal Inspector ang I did finally get my $69.00 back, but had I not seen the story after 6 yrs. about his capture and me then contacting USPS, I never would have got my money back!!


    Last yr. needed a pressure washer the 1 I wanted had prices all over and finally found it $30. cheaper on E-Bay for $189.00 then any other place and the comp. had a huge webpage on everything they sold so I ordered it and was told it would be sent in 1 week, but then nothing I called back and was told delayed will get USPS track in a few days when shipped and I got Track number but it simply showed "Pre-Ship" info.

    1 week later it showed shipped and 3 days later said returned to Shipper, I called back and was told USPS messed up and will be shipped again but another week later and nothing, called E-Bay and was told had to wait 30 days etc..

    Seller called 2 days later saying again it is on the way. I then did research on web and many had same issue and seller was fake but had used a real webpage from another company whose name was 1 letter different than his,

    I then called Master Card and told them I was a theft victim for $189. and after talking to 3 people there and 1 hr. later was told I was not a "Theft Victim" but had a simple misunderstanding since I bought and they would do their best and there was a slim chance I maSoy never get it back!!!

    Then called Pay-Pal since all payments on E-Bay go through them and Pay-Pal expedited my issue and said I will have my money back in 48 hrs. and I did. So Pay-pal saved me quickly and hassle free and I don't know what would have happened if not for Pay-pal since my CC had told me this issue of mine would take 30-60 days or longer!

    So even C Cards wont always save you!

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    USPS is also out of things early. As the check is cashed it becomes a local issue!

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    I can attest to also not buying on armslist, nearly got sxammed on a K98 mauser. Thankfully I realized it was a scam before sending money

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    Yes best advice is just to stay away from Armslist. Yes people have had good luck on there but its not worth the risk or having a 72 point check list to try and make sure you wont get scammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjxlr8 View Post
    You should only buy in person, on ARMSLIST due to the high number of scammers. I've found some great items on ARMSLIST, though.
    This /\ Armslist is designed for FTF transactions, anyone who offers to ship should be looked at as a scammer IMO. The entire idea of them listing firearms by state and then by city is to allow for FTF transactions. I've only bought a few firearms off Armslist, all FTF transactions, I've never had an issue.
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    Yep scamming doesnt work well face to face,,,,but would be a much more profitable site with proper oversight

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    Gun broker is where I picked up..rare pre production example.and husquvarnia made Swede!
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    I have gotten a few good deals on Arms List. Always FTF. If they don't register I don't look twice.

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    File a claim with the Postal Inspection Service...

    They will go after the scammer for: "Using the mails to defraud".
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    I got scammed on Armslist too, cost me about $1000, called the Sheriff where I sent money and my local Sheriff, nothing done, after talking with a postal worker she suggested I file a claim with A Postal Inspector, I am going to do that as it is mail fraud. I also have bought and sold items on Armslist with great results, I have been scammed on Gunbroker also, but there Gunbroker stepped in and helped resolve the problem.

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    Gotten got on fleabay a few times but only because I didn’t look hard enough. I only use Gunbroker and have never not gotten what I bought, it might not had been what I thought it was....but once again I didn’t look hard enough. Nowdays I look at the # of transactions and the feedback. I look hard when I see a no return policy too.
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    I wouldn't buy from anyone with a gmail address as that! Should have been first clue of a deal going bad!

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    Let me start by saying I really dislike the fact that all buyers and sellers on Armslist are not required to provide positive identification. I remember sites that wouldn't let you use them without providing a CC. Seems Armslist does pretty well ($$) so I don't know that it would be that hard, or expensive to implement an identification system.

    Having said that, I have bought and sold a LOT of items on Armlist and have never had a problem. I have actually had more problems on eBay than Armslist.

    1. Is the seller a Premium Vendor (like I am)? I have never heard a complaint against a premium vendor

    2. Others suggested using a USPS MO....I prefer to use a CC. This has gotten complicated since Square and PayPal have banned gun transactions, but I know many who still use PP or Square so they can use their credit card. To be "legal", I got a CC Merchant account.

    If you only buy from Premium Vendors and only use a CC, you won't get burned. I just sold a gun to a guy in Florida. It got squirrely because he thought I was selling a fake item. Since neither him nor his FFL were able to find the model of gun I was selling. The buyer Googled my business, he did a Street View of my business, and spent some time on the phone with him to reassure him. Then I had to deal with his FFL who called me. Essentially calling the item I was selling to "not be real" because he was unable to find a source for the gun. My ad clearly stated it was a limited production, limited edition item and as far as I know, only available through one distributor. Since the buyer used his CC, he had no risk and we completed the transaction. Because I am a Premium vendor and because I was able to accept his CC (not PP), they trusted me and he was able to get the LP/LE gun and is thrilled with it.

    I despise the fact that Armslist doesn't manage the buyers and sellers very well, they don't react as I think they should to fake ads. I too have reported fraudulent sellers, all in vain. Kind of like Craigslist which is a scammer haven.

    Don't buy the Brooklyn Bridge or swamp land in Florida. Be wise, take precautions, and don't miss out on otherwise excellent opportunities like my buyer in Florida did.

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    I've sold many guns on Armslist without a problem. Always FTF, cash only, no trades, no shipping. I plainly state MY terms and conditions on the ad with the admonition that it's my terms and there's no deviation. I wouldn't think of shipping any guns. If someone wants a gun shipped I tell them the name and location of one of my local gun shops where they can make all arrangements for shipping after I've received a cashier's check and two weeks for it to clear my bank. Only then will I drop it off at the dealer's for an additional $35.00 fee added to the purchase price. Funny how that stops scammers as shipping is a prime territory for theft by deception. No shipping, no theft.

    I see Armslist ads all the time that raise questions, yet there's always someone who gets taken. Many times the buyer loses common sense, intuition, and forgets due diligence. Far better to pay more in a secure FTF transaction than lose all your money on a hope and a prayer.

    It's too bad for your loss, but a scammer relies on your playing his con game and many eagerly do so. Do business in a business-like manner, trust no one to look out for your interests, and learn from your mistakes.

    Gun buying and selling is business. Treat it as such.
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    I feel your pain, I too thought I was getting a good deal and found out after a couple of days after contact that the listing was flagged as scam. As usual, a couple of days too late. I was advised to fill out a form with the FBI that I had been scammed with all of the details and never heard squat. Armslist warns you not to send anyone money and only do FTF. Gunbroker I've been told will actually cover your loss if it happens, but I have no experience with that. All of my GB transactions have been pretty smooth. Best advice is go with your instincts and if it's too good to be true, it probably is. I like the dollar in the triggerguard idea, but that only let's you know he has the gun he's posted.

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    I've only tried to buy one gun on Armslist, and the transaction was flawless. It was FTF (the only way I would consider it), and I got a very fine, unfired rifle at a good price.

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    Only buy from Premium Vendors if you are afraid of getting scammed. It’s generally very easy to spot scam ads on there. If it’s too cheap or if it just lists the state twice as the area, 99% of the time it is a scam. To be a Premium Vendor, you have to verify your FFL and pay $300 a year. I have made several sales and all were good people who knew scammers when they saw their ads. Can a foreign scammer get ahold of an FFL, pay the fee and become a Premium Vendor? Pretty unlikely, but in the real world, there is always a chance. Just my 2 cents.

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    I have done a couple of face to face transactions here in Arizona, without a problem.
    Would never do any other type of purchase on Armslist. The phony ads are there every day, easy to recognize, and even though flagged they seem to pop up again in short order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash View Post
    I ask em for photo with dollar bill through trigger guard. If they actually have item its a simple request. I dont know why whoever owns and runs armslist is such a lazy careless person. Ive grown tired of trying to sell nice militaria at shows, but if owner of site lets it run wild why pay for a storefront?
    Maybe my coffee isn't properly caffeinated this morning. Can someone explain how a photo of a gun with a dollar bill through the trigger guard will validate a gun for sale? Thanks..

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    I have a couple issues regarding USPS MO's. Again the only time i've been taken in decades was right here on our trader. filed USPS complaints, follow ups and nothing. OP got banned and that's it. The Other is our local PO got robbed just before we left the PRK. Thieves stole all the mail, cash, stamps and, most disturbingly, the MO machine,along with all the boxes of blank MO's and the Computers that ran it. Was told it was a well organized gang who specialized it hitting POs. Not sure what safeguards are out their but you're basically on your own. Maybe a PO type can chime in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseguyDS View Post
    Maybe my coffee isn't properly caffeinated this morning. Can someone explain how a photo of a gun with a dollar bill through the trigger guard will validate a gun for sale? Thanks..
    Making the seller produce a picture of the gun in question along with something totally unique shows that they actually have the gun and didn't just grab a photo from a museum or someone elses posting or from the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark VI View Post
    Making the seller produce a picture of the gun in question along with something totally unique shows that they actually have the gun and didn't just grab a photo from a museum or someone elses posting or from the internet.
    Sure, it helps, but unfortunately it doesn't protect you from flat out thieves. I've bought quite a few guns locally that were posted on Armslist, but they were all FTF transactions. Very little risk there.

    But I recently did get scammed on a deal for some gun parts that were posted on my local site but far enough away that it wasn't worth driving. Even though the guy provided additionally requested photos and responded to communications in a non-scammer manner, he turned out to be a flat out thief. Despite doing some due diligence, I probably let my guard down a bit because the dollar amount wasn't great. At least with forums like GB, you can do some background checking on a poster, at least to know how long they have been a member, research old posts, check for other feedback, etc., and make a more informed decision about their trustworthiness. Other sites with built in feedback systems make it even easier to judge. For example, I'm pretty confident doing a deal with someone on AR15.com or AK Files with 100+ positive feedback transactions. Armlist is pretty much anonymous for private sales, so it. takes more diligence.

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    I think some thieves target folks who have a dollar or effort limit on going after them. In CA you can scam $999.99 and only face a misdemeanor if caught. California leads the way on putting a actual dollar limit on honesty and decency.

    BTW organized crime is really loving it!!

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    Like most have been saying if you're going to use Armslist do the deal face to face. I've bought and sold on them here in AZ and never had a problem. We meet up and a lot of times if possible shoot the firearm and that way we both know the gun works and everybody's happy. That's the way Armslist is set up. Person to person. If you do an out of area deal, well that's up to you but you are taking a risk and that's your call, not Armslist's. Don't run down the whole site because of your decision.

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