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    I had one of these spotting scopes awhile back but sold it to a collector of Russian opticsin Japan and subsequently regretted selling it.It had "MADE IN USSR" stamped on the body which made me think it was an export version and had a black vinyl case.I used it regularly at the range and everyone that saw it was impressed with the clarity of the optics and the ingenuity of the mounting bracket/clamp.

    Fast forward to the last week and a friend of mine messages me to say there is one for sale on Ebay UK that I ended up winning.It has a green canvas case, a tinted filter very similar to the one for the PSO-1 scope and no "MADE IN USSR" marking.The stadiametric rangefinding reticle is marked for a 1.7m target same as the PSO-1.

    I see these sold as "Spetsnaz spotting scopes" but can't find a single image of Soviet/Russian sniper using one so is there, or does anyone know from first hand experience if the Russian military ever used them?.I have seen images of a Russian SVD snipers vest that appears to have a special pocket for one of these spotting scopes but as said I can't find out much else about them.

    Any information about them would be much appreciated.

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    https://smedvedem.ru/monokulyar_npz_mp_4-20-

    looks like you can still get in russia

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptamony View Post
    https://smedvedem.ru/monokulyar_npz_mp_4-20-

    looks like you can still get in russia
    Thanks for that, I found out that NPZ still list it on the companies website as a "1n10 zoom monocular" under Special Products--Day Observant Devices and it says that "These products are designed to supply the Russian army and security forces of the Russian Federation" so I guess they have been issued to the Soviet/Russian Federation military over the years.
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    I see these sold as "Spetsnaz spotting scopes" but can't find a single image of Soviet/Russian sniper using one so is there, or does anyone know from first hand experience if the Russian military ever used them?.I have seen images of a Russian SVD snipers vest that appears to have a special pocket for one of these spotting scopes but as said I can't find out much else about them.
    I can’t recall with certainty when I first saw these spotting scopes offered for sale but it has been quite some time. Probably as far back as the mid ‘90s and it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that they arrived earlier, when the Soviet Union broke up.

    The “MADE IN USSR” English text convinced me that these optics simply had to be made for export. For friendly military force or for commercial sales to Western consumers? Or both?

    I have never seen any indication or evidence that these scopes were utilized by any armed services, let alone the Soviet, or reconstituted Russian forces. The sellers here in the US all repeated the same cut and paste Spetsnaz nonsense and never convinced me that the scopes were an authentic Soviet or Russian military item of issue.

    My guess is that these scopes are at best a quasi-official item made for one of the many Russian police or paramilitary forces. In the economic crisis that arose after the Wall came down the Russians were producing and selling anything the West would buy. Police spotting scopes rebranded for commercial sale?

    I wish they were “real” military issue because I would have purchased one the first time I saw the advertisement. I have more than a dozen Soviet sniper periscopes and this cool little spotting scope would have perfectly complemented the variations in my collection. If it turns out these units are real I’ll be scrambling to find one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard in NY* View Post
    I can’t recall with certainty when I first saw these spotting scopes offered for sale but it has been quite some time. Probably as far back as the mid ‘90s and it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that they arrived earlier, when the Soviet Union broke up.

    The “MADE IN USSR” English text convinced me that these optics simply had to be made for export. For friendly military force or for commercial sales to Western consumers? Or both?

    I have never seen any indication or evidence that these scopes were utilized by any armed services, let alone the Soviet, or reconstituted Russian forces. The sellers here in the US all repeated the same cut and paste Spetsnaz nonsense and never convinced me that the scopes were an authentic Soviet or Russian military item of issue.

    My guess is that these scopes are at best a quasi-official item made for one of the many Russian police or paramilitary forces. In the economic crisis that arose after the Wall came down the Russians were producing and selling anything the West would buy. Police spotting scopes rebranded for commercial sale?

    I wish they were “real” military issue because I would have purchased one the first time I saw the advertisement. I have more than a dozen Soviet sniper periscopes and this cool little spotting scope would have perfectly complemented the variations in my collection. If it turns out these units are real I’ll be scrambling to find one!

    Hopefully our friend Alex/Ratnik will weigh-in.
    That was my thinking, the "MADE IN USSR/MADE IN RUSSIA" marked ones being for the civilian export market, much like their binoculars sold in the West.

    Which is what made me wonder if the one I've just bought is a "military"/domestic Russian version as it doesn't bear the "MADE IN" mark.I also wondered if these were acquired by members of the Russian special forces as "private purchases", in the same way as Kizlyar knives etc......not officially issued but their use is allowed amongst certain specialist units that have more autonomy over choice of kit than the average Russian soldier.

    The other thing that makes me think they are at least intended for military use is that the stadiametric rangefinding reticle is based on a 1.7m target, same as the issue PSO-1 scope and other Russian military optics whereas, for example, the rangefinder in civilian market POSP scopes is based on a 0.5/1.5m target.If it is designed for bird-watching etc why have a rangefinder based on a man-sized target?.
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    After a bit of digging it turns out there is a GRAU index for these spotting scopes so they must have been adopted by the Russian military at some point.The GRAU index is 1n10, pancratic monocular.
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