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    Any connection to Archduke Franz Ferdinand?.....
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    King Edward VII and the class of battleships named after him? (one sunk in 1910, leaving 7)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snayperskaya View Post
    Any connection to Archduke Franz Ferdinand?.....
    Sorry again, NO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Murvihill View Post
    King Edward VII and the class of battleships named after him? (one sunk in 1910, leaving 7)
    Sorry, David, NO.
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    HINT: Seven sisters died, but there were more sisters than seven.
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    Type VII U-Flak boats . . . . ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruisey View Post
    Type VII U-Flak boats . . . . ?
    Sorry, NO, cruisey.
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    Warren Harding and the Honda Point Disaster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Murvihill View Post
    Warren Harding and the Honda Point Disaster?
    YES, David, you made it, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!
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    Good Job David

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    Thanks DM - for putting us out of our misery.

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    Sometimes you have been quite near, congrats to all of you!!
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 1

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    Pedernales Point in CA is better known as Point Honda (“Pedernales” is Spanish for “flints” and “Honda” for “deep”).

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    Honda Point is located on the seacoast at today’s Vandenberg Air Force Base,

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    near the city of Lompoc, CA. Composed of hard igneous rock, this coastal stretch consists of a steep 60-foot bluff with only little beach area. Scattered seaward are rough-surfaced boulders, knife-like submerged pinnacles and intermittent reefs. Wave action along the exposed point is constant, and with the wind and current the breakers are
    especially powerful.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 2

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    Pedernales Point is near the entrance to the sometimes treacherous Santa Barbara Channel, which is 12 to 25 miles wide between the coast and the Channel Islands, a popular shipping shortcut for vessels going to and from the ports of southern California. The problem with the entrance to the channel is it is one of the windiest places for mariners to go through on the west coast.

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    Many times winds and waves are so severe that vessels will ride the storms out at Cuyler Harbor, San Miguel Island's small port,

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    or waves ranging up to 30 feet high will force the closure of the small harbors at Santa Barbara,

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    Ventura,

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    Port Hueneme and Oxnard. The entrance to the channel acts like a vortex, sucking the winds and waves of Pacific storm systems into the passage. The most dangerous area is from Pedernales Point eastward,

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    along the stretch of south-facing coast to Gaviota Creek, where U.S. Highway 101 meets the coast from the Santa Ynez Valley. Sea vessels can be blown ashore, or with the dense fog that is common on the California coast, ships can simply run aground when they lose track of their locations.

    In September 1923 a chain of links, orders, events, human errors and an earthquake led to the loss of more warships than the U.S. had lost by enemy fire during the entire WW1. No single element of the chain was necessarily fatal and if only one would have been modified or any of them changed, it is possible that the tragedy would not have happened. But none was changed and that is the reason that 23 lives were lost and $13 million worth of Navy combat warships was destroyed.
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    Probably true for most disasters, no single cause but a series of events leading to the inevitable disaster. Usually the last in the chain gets the blame.
    You put us through the wringer, again! There is no way i would have got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staffy View Post
    You put us through the wringer, again! There is no way i would have got it.
    I am not sorry about the "wringer" , but I am sure you would, as you had several good ideas on the right way already!
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    Wow, I have read Lockwood's "Tragedy at Honda" twice and it never occurred to me. I'm looking to the great photos and maps you always have in your explanations. This one was/is fun.

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    My first 'win'! I had that the sisters were ships first guess but assumed you were talking about an entire class retired. I remember learning about Honda Point in the Navy, probably the same lesson you are about to teach us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwellons View Post
    Wow, I have read Lockwood's "Tragedy at Honda" twice and it never occurred to me. I'm looking to the great photos and maps you always have in your explanations. This one was/is fun.
    I will try my best!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Murvihill View Post
    My first 'win'! I had that the sisters were ships first guess but assumed you were talking about an entire class retired. I remember learning about Honda Point in the Navy, probably the same lesson you are about to teach us.
    Congratulations again, David, at least here will be some more pictures, I hope.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 3

    1. US Fleet Organization

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    1923 the political leadership of the US Navy was in the hands of the 42nd Secretary of the Navy, Edwin Denby.


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    Photo: Chief Gunner George Bradley, USN, with Secretary of the Navy Edwin Denby (left) and Admiral Edward Walter Eberle, USN, Chief of Naval Operations (right), at the White House, Washington, D.C., 4 October 1923

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    (with the Office of the Secretary of the Navy led by Capt. Hayne Ellis, Aide),

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    the Assistant Secretary of the Navy Theodore Roosevelt, Jr.

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    (with the Office of the Assistant Secretary of the Navy led by CDR Robert L. Ghormley, Aide).
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 4

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    In August 1923 the military leader, Admiral Hilary Pollard Jones, Jr.,

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    was succeeded by Admiral Robert Edward Coontz as commander of the United States Fleet.

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    Fleet Flagship for both admirals was the armored cruiser USS Seattle (CA-11, ex-USS Washington (ACR-11), CO Captain Wat Tyler Cluverius Jr.)

    The fleet was divided into two main parts plus several then independent annexes. The first part was the “Scouting Fleet” in the Atlantic,

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    commanded by Vice Admiral Newton Alexander McCully.

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    Scouting Fleet Flagship was the battleship USS Wyoming (BB-32, CO Captain George William Laws).
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 5

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    The major part of the US fleet was the “Battle Fleet” in the Pacific. On 1 September 1923 the Battle Fleet was under the command of Admiral Samuel Shelburne Robison

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    on the Battle Fleet Flagship USS California (BB-44, CO Capt. Harley Hannibal Christy).
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    The independent annexes were the “Asiatic Fleet”,

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    commanded by Vice-Admiral Edwin Alexander Anderson

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    on flagship armored cruiser USS Huron (CA-9, CO Capt. Clark Daniel Stearns)

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    and the Naval Forces Europe, commanded by Vice Admiral Philip Andrews

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    on flagship armored cruiser USS Pittsburgh (CA-4, CO Capt. John Valentine Klemann),
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 7

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    plus the Control Force (CO Rear-Admiral Montgomery Meigs Taylor,

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    flagship USS Savannah (AS-8, CO CDR Charles Caroll Soulé Jr., with the submarines and a mine squadron),

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    the Base Force (CO Rear-Admiral Jehu Valentine Chase,

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    flagship USS Procyon (AG-11, CO Capt Robert Lawrence Berry, with the train and a mine squadron), the ships on special or other assignment (Naval Transportation Service and Special Duty ships) and the Shore Establishments.
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    Auxiliary wind power on the Savannah, for speed or endurance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by staffy View Post
    Auxiliary wind power on the Savannah, for speed or endurance?
    Staffy, I only have very little sailing experience, I just think that some small sails do not add much to speed, but perhaps a little to endurance. I just found the photo interesting.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 8

    US Destroyer Forces

    The table of assignment of U.S. ships for 1 July 1923 carries only six active destroyer units.

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    The first was the Destroyer Squadron Asiatic Fleet, 19 Destroyers, commanded by Captain George Tilfort Pettengill

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    on his flagship USS Stewart (DD-224, CO LCDR Norman Reeve Van der Veer)


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    The second was the Destroyer Detachment of the Naval Forces Europe, 15 Destroyers, commanded by Capt. Samuel Woods Bryant,

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    flagship USS McCormick (DD-223, CO CDR Allan Shannon Farquhar).
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 9

    Two were of the Scouting Fleet, 38 destroyers

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    of Destroyer Squadron 9 (CO Captain William Lord Littlefield,

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    flagship USS Sharkey (DD-281, CO CDR Walter Frederick Jacobs))

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    and Destroyer Squadron 14 (CO Captain Charles Mazon Tozer,

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    flagship USS Hopkins (DD-249, CO CDR Rufus Wellington Mathewson))


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    Photo: USS Warrington’s commissioning crew, circa March 1911. Officers are (left to right): Ens. Rufus W. Mathewson; Lt. Walter M. Hunt; Ens. Carleton M. Dolan; Ens. John B. Staley.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 10

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    Two units were of the Battle Fleet, 38 destroyers, commanded by Rear Admiral Sumner Ely Wetmore Kittelle, Destroyer Squadron 11 and Destroyer Squadron 12.

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    Flagship of Admiral Kittelle was the destroyer tender USS Melville (AD-2, CO CDR Benyaurd Bourne Wygant).
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    1.1. Destroyer Squadron 11

    On 25 June 1923 the destroyers of Destroyer Squadron 11/DesRon 11 had left their home port San Diego and headed north. From 25 June to 31 August DesRon 11 cruised along the coast of Washington, conducting exercises, tactical maneuvers and short range battle practices, putting in at Tacoma, Port Angeles and Seattle.

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    DesRon 11 was commanded by ComDesRon Captain Edward Howe Watson.

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    Before and during World War I, Capt. Watson had been in command of transport USS Celtic (AF-2) 1912,

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    USS Wheeling (Gunboat No. 14) from15 June 1915,

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    transport USS Madawaska (ID #3011, ex-German Passenger Liner SS König Wilhelm II) from 29 August 1917

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    and of the battleship USS Alabama (BB-8) from 28 January 1918 to 08 January 1919. He was awarded the Navy Cross for his "exceptionally meritorious service in a duty of great responsibility as Commanding Officer of the U.S.S. Alabama in the Atlantic Fleet during World War I". Following a brief preparation on the Office of Naval Intelligence, in March 1919 he became U.S. Naval Attaché in Japan, leading five Assistant Attachés, remaining in that post until May 1922. In July 1922 he took command of DesRon 11. At his side as his principal staff officers were Squadron Engineer Officer LCDR H.G. “Blinky” Donald, Squadron Gunnery Officer LCDR Howard K. “Chink” Lewis and Squadron Communications Officer Lt Laurence “Jasper” Wild.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 12

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    Destroyer Squadron 11 had 20 ships, the Altair class destroyer tender and Destroyer Leader USS Rigel (AD-13, CO Captain Harry Lerch Brinser,

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    launched as SS Edgecombe 23 November 1918) and 19 so called “four-stackers”, “flush deck” destroyers, the flagship and three destroyer divisions with six destroyers each, then the most modern destroyers in the history of the US Navy.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 13

    US Destroyer History, Prototypes

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    During the Spanish–American War (21 April 1898 – 13 August 1898), on 16 March 1898 a special war plans board, headed by Assistant Secretary of the Navy Theodore Roosevelt, issued a warning of Spanish torpedo-boats and especially the Spanish torpedo-boat destroyers.

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    There were the Furor-class torpedo-boat destroyers Furor

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    and the improved Audaz-class torpedo-boat destroyers with Audaz,

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    Plutón,

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    Proserpina (380 tons resp. 400 tons, armament 2× 75 mm (3 in) mm Nordenfelt cannon, 2× 57 mm (2 in) mm Nordenfelt cannon, 2× Maxim machine guns and 2× 350 mm (14 in) torpedo tubes). Furor,Plutón and Terror were then at the Canaries or already preparing to come to Cuba. The special war plans board therefore urgently pleaded for an US torpedo-boat destroyer, realizing that this type if ship was urgently needed to screen the larger warships.

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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 14

    Predecessors of the United States Navy torpedo boats were five experimental torpedo boats,
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    the boat “Destroyer” (Experimental Torpedo Boat, never accepted by the Navy),

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    USS Alarm (Experimental Torpedo Boat, commissioned 1874) and

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    the wooden torpedo boat (USS Stiletto, WTB-1, commissioned July 1887, armed with two Howell torpedoes, but only from 1898).
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 15

    The first real US Navy torpedo boats followed, 35 steel hull boats, designated TB-1 through TB-35. Most of them also were just experimental versions, as the 35 boats were divided into 18 different classes or better types, as 10 “classes” contained just one boat, five just two and two just three boats. Only the latest torpedo boat class, the Blakely class, had 9 boats.

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    Photo: USS Blakely (Torpedo Boat No. 27/TB-27/Coast Torpedo Boat No. 13) underway off Grant's Tomb during the 1909 Hudson-Fulton Celebration

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    Photo: From left USS Porter (TB-6), USS Stiletto (WTB-1) and USS Cushing (TB-1) clydebank. HMS Jupiter, in Narragansett Bay.

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    Nathanael Greene Herreshoff, Herreshoff Manufacturing Company, the builder of all three, was on board the USS Porter when the above photograph was taken, and recorded the date in his diary as having been on 18 December 1896

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    Photo: USS Rodgers (TB-4), USS Porter (TB-6), USS DuPont (TB-7), USS Blakeley (TB-27), USS Nicholson (TB-29) and USS O'Brien (TB-30) in Norfolk circa 1905

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    All but one TB were American built. The exception is USS Somers (TB-22), a steel torpedo boat, built as a private speculation by Friedrich Schichau, Elbing, Germany, purchased for the United States Navy on 25 March 1898, commissioned on 28 March 1898 with Lt. John
    Joseph Knapp in command and named USS Somers the next day. As the crew thought she was unfit to cross the Atlantic she was ordered to be laid up at Falmouth/UK until the conclusion of the Spanish-American War. Finally USS Somers arrived at New York, on board SS Manhattan (1898), on 2 May 1899 only.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 16

    Four of those torpedo boat “classes” were intended as “prototypes” of torpedo boat-destroyers with heavy artillery-armament (compared with torpedo-boats). Those predecessors of the first major series of US Navy destroyers were

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    USS Farragut (TB-11, 1898, 279 tons, commissioned 5 June 1899, speed 30 kts., armament 4x 6-pdrs., 2x 18" (450 mm) torpedo tubes),

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    USS Stringham (TB-19, 1899, 340 tons, commissioned 7 November 1905, speed 30 kts., armament 4x 6-pdrs., 2x 18" torpedo tubes),

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    USS Goldsborough (TB-20, 1899, 256 tons, commissioned 9 April 1908, speed 27 kts., armament 4x 6-pdrs., 2x 18" torpedo tubes)

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    Photo: "Torpedo Fleet, San Diego, California", early 1900s, present are (from left to right) USS Davis (Torpedo Boat # 12), USS Rowan (Torpedo Boat # 8), USS Goldsborough (Torpedo Boat # 20), and USS Farragut (Torpedo Boat # 11)

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    Photo: At the Mare Island Navy Yard, California, prior to World War I, (from left to right) USS Lawrence (Destroyer # 8), USS Goldsborough (Torpedo Boat # 20) and USS Farragut (Torpedo Boat # 11)

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    USS Bailey
    (TB-21, 1899, 235 tons, commissioned 10 June 1901, speed 30 kts., armament 4x 6-pdrs., 2x 18" torpedo tubes). USS Bailey was the first “four-stacker” and had more to do with high-sea destroyers, having in particular a complete bridge and a front part in “turtle back” characteristic closely derived from torpedo boats.

    They experienced various problems and were logically reclassified as torpedo boats.
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    Trust we have a reference to Turbina. Wrong mob, but a leap forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staffy View Post
    Trust we have a reference to Turbina. Wrong mob, but a leap forward.
    Here comes my limited knowledge of the English language, sorry. I do not understand this, staffy, and also the translator does not give me an German text which makes sense.
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    Turbinia was the first steam turbine-powered steamship. An experimental vessel built in 1894.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomaustin View Post
    Turbinia was the first steam turbine-powered steamship. An experimental vessel built in 1894.....
    Thank you, tomaustin!
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 17

    First US Destroyers

    The first ships of the United States Navy, designated “Destroyers” and numbered “DD-“, built from 1899 through 1903,

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    were “four stackers” (four smokestacks) of the Bainbridge-class (427 tons, 13 ships, USS Bainbridge (DD-1), USS Barry (DD-2)m USS Chauncey (DD-3), USS Dale (DD-4), USS Decatur (DD-5), USS Hopkins (DD-6), USS Hull (DD-7), USS Lawrence (DD-8), USS Macdonough (DD-9), USS Paul Jones (DD-10), USS Perry (DD-11), USS Preble (DD-12) and USS Stewart (DD-13), armament 2x 3 in (76 mm)/50 caliber guns, 5x 6 pounder (57 mm (2.2 in)) guns and 2x 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes with four torpedoes),


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    Photo: The First Torpedo Flotilla steaming in close formation off Chefoo, China, in 1905, while under the command of Lieutenant Dudley W. Knox. Ships present are (as numbered): 1 USS Decatur (DD-5); 2 USS Dale (DD-4); 3 USS Barry (DD-2); 4 USS Chauncey (DD-3) and 4 USS Bainbridge (DD-1).

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    followed by the Truxtun-class (408 tons, 3 ships, USS Truxton (DD-14), USS Wipple (DD-15) and USS Worden (DD-16), quite similar to the Bainbridge-class, except for their different stern and mounting 6x 6-pounder guns instead of five).

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    Photo: USS Whipple (Destroyer # 15) training her twin 18-inch torpedo tube mount installed just aft of the ship's after smokestack, 18 June 1918. Note telescopic sight on the torpedo tube mounting and 6-pounder gun in the background

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    Photo: Philadelphia Navy Yard, Yard's Reserve Basin, destroyers awaiting decommissioning 4 March 1919. Ships from left to right are USS Lawrence (DD-8, Bainbridge-class), USS Perry (DD-11, Bainbridge-class), USS Whipple (DD-15, Truxtun-class), USS Truxtun (DD-14) and USS Worden (DD-16, Truxtun-class). Note USS Lawrence's after torpedo tube (with torpedo visible) and pattern camouflage, 48-star flags, radio masts and signal flags on several of the destroyers.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 18

    “Broken Deckers”

    They were followed by 52 “broken deckers”,.

    The first “broken deckers” were

    · 26 “flivvers”,

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    5 ships of Smith-class (710 tons, USS Smith (DD-17), USS Lamson (DD-18), USS Preston (DD-19), USS Flusser (DD-20) and USS Reid (DD-21), armament 5x 3in (76 mm) guns, 3x 18 in (450 mm) torpedo tubes, all with four funnels), and

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    Photo: Sailors man USS Smith's forward gun, circa 1917.

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    21 ships of Paulding-class (742 tons, DD-22 through DD-42, armament 2x 3in (76mm), 5x 2in (57mm), 2x 18 in torpedo tubes)

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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 19

    9 ships of the Paulding-class were built with three funnels (USS Roe (DD-24), USS Terry (DD-25), USS Perkins (DD-26),

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    USS Sterret (DD-27), USS Warrington (DD-30), USS Mayrant (DD-31), USS Monaghan (DD-32), USS Walke (DD-34) and

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    USS Patterson (DD-36)) and 12 with four funnels, USS Paulding (DD-22),

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    USS Drayton (DD-23), USS McCall (DD-28), USS Burrows (DD-29), USS Trippe (DD-33), USS Ammen (DD-35), USS Fanning (DD-37), USS Jarvis (DD-38), USS Henley (DD-39), USS Beale (DD-40), USS Jouett (DD-41) and

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    USS Jenkins (DD-42)

    All were placed in commission by the end of 1912. The “Flivvers” incorporated a number of significant advances in marine engineering. They were the first US Navy destroyer types to be powered by steam turbines. A major difference between the two classes was the boilers. The Smith class ships were the last destroyers with coal-fired boilers, while the Paulding class ships were the first with oil-fired boilers.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 20

    The next “broken deckers” were

    · 26 “1,000-tonners”, authorized in 1913 – 15,

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    4 ships of Cassin-class (1020 tons, USS Cassin (DD-43), USS Cummings (DD-44), USS Downes (DD-45) and USS Duncan (DD-46), armament 4x 4 in (102 mm)/50, 4x twin 18 in torpedo tubes),

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    4 ships of Aylwin-class (1036 tons, USS Aylwin (DD-47), USS Parker (DD-48), USS Benham (DD-49) and USS Balch (DD-50), armament 4x 4 in (102 mm)/50, 4x twin 18 in torpedo tubes),

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    6 ships of O'Brien-class (1070 tons, USS O'Brien (DD-51), USS Nicholson (DD-52), USS Winslow (DD-53), USS McDougal (DD-54), USS Cushing (DD-55) and USS Ericson (DD-56), armament 4x 4 in (102 mm)/50, 4x twin 21 in 533 mm) torpedo tubes), 8 torpedoes),

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    6 ships of Tucker-class (1060 tons, USS Tucker (DD-57), USS Conyngham (DD-58), USS Porter (DD-59), USS Wadsworth (DD-60), USS Jacob Jones (DD-61) and USS Wainwright (DD-62), armament 4× 4 in (102 mm)/50 caliber guns, 8× 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes (4× 2), 8 torpedoes) and

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    6 ships of Sampson-class (1111 tons, USS Sampson (DD-63), USS Rowan (DD-64), USS Davis (DD-65), USS Allen (DD-66), USS Wilkes (DD-67) and USS Shaw (DD-68), armament 4× 4 in (102 mm)/50 caliber guns, 2× 1-pounder (37 mm) AA guns, 4 × triple 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes),


    all commissioned between August 1913 and January 1917.
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    Default Point Honda 1923 and President Harding, Part 21

    “Flush-Deckers”

    In 1916, there was a design change to a new “flush-deck” hull with a continuous sheer strake. In summer 1916 Congress passed the Naval Act of 1916, which authorized 50 more flush deck destroyers as part of a buildup intended to make the United States a major naval power. After the US joined World War I in April 1917, it increased this number to 273 to fight German U-boats. All 273 ships were built by the US-Navy, divided into three flush-deck classes:

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    The first was the Caldwell-class (again 6 ships, 1125 tons, DD-69 through DD-74, funded in 1916, normal armament 4× 4 in (102 mm)/50 caliber guns, 1× 3 in (76 mm)/23 caliber gun, 4x triple 21 in (533 mm) torpedo tubes, speed designed for 30 knots). When planning the new destroyers started depth charges were not invented yet. The best depth charges concept arose in a 1913.

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    A report of the Royal Torpedo School (a shore establishment and “stone frigate” HMS Vernon, Portsmouth, in commission until 1996, using a number of different hulked ships as her home until she moved ashore in 1923) described a device intended for a “dropping mine”. At Admiral Jellicoe´s request it was fitted with a hydrostatic pistol, developed in 1914 by Thomas Firth and Sons of Sheffield. Pre-set to detonate at 45 feet they were launched from a ship´s stern platform.

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    The first practical depth charge, MK III depth charge of D type, was produced by the Royal Navy’s Torpedo and Mine School in January 1916, available, in large quantity, only in 1917.


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    Therefore first the Caldwell-class design included the provision of a ram bow for attacking submarines (like here on HMS Sans Pareil, 1887,

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    or on USS Katahdin,commissioned 20 February 1896.
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