M1 Carbine opinions
Results 1 to 30 of 30

Thread: M1 Carbine opinions

  1. #1

    Default

    Hi all. This is my first one and I'd love feedback from some knowledgeable folks. I'm pretty sure the barrel band has been refinished and suspect the barrel may have been too. There are a couple areas that have that cold blue smell including the band and the area just in front of the triggerguard where the mag release button is. I can't see a stamp on the sling well though it is rough. Stock possibly lightly sanded? All critiques welcomed. Thanks!
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails 20200613_192233_1592125748148.jpg  

    20200613_192308_1592125769845.jpg  

    20200613_192522_1592125803064.jpg  

    20200613_192146_1592125828411.jpg  

    20200613_192125_1592125850401.jpg  

    20200613_192046_1592125864393.jpg  

    20200613_192942_1592125888228.jpg  

    20200613_193112_1592125904682.jpg  

    20200613_193032_1592125919242.jpg  

    20200613_193200_1592125934899.jpg  

    20200613_193225_1592125951196.jpg  

    20200613_193247_1592125961108.jpg  

    20200613_192751_1592126116340.jpg  

    20200614_055031_1592128793868.jpg  

    20200614_055111_1592128808023.jpg  

    20200614_054945_1592128818583.jpg  

    20200614_055134_1592128836907.jpg  

    20200614_061540_1592129878237.jpg  

    20200614_061626_1592129888387.jpg  

    20200614_103020_1592145392123.jpg  

    Last edited by Teegeemitchell; 06-14-2020 at 09:36 AM. Reason: Added pic

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    16,789

    Default

    Agree that the stock has been sanded, lightly.

    The rear sight would have been added at a later rebuild, as Rock-Ola used only the flip sight during new manufacture.

    I like what I see thus far. Appears to be a decent carbine with many Rock-Ola parts

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    5,381

    Default

    Looks like a nice rebuild. Congrats!

  4. Remove Advertisements
    GunBoards.com
    Advertisements
     

  5. #4
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Spearfish, Black Hills of SD. Sun City, AZ.
    Posts
    1,365

    Default

    A close up picture of the front band taken from the front will help to determine if the band is a T2 or a modified T3.
    Nice looking carbine!

    Chuck
    The more I learn, the more I see I do not know.

  6. #5
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Gwinnett County, GA
    Posts
    659

    Default

    That's a good looking piece! Could we see some overall shots of it perhaps? I also think I can make out what's left of an RMC OR Q-RMC in the sling well.
    Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right.
    Looking for Romanian SKS stock and receiver cover DE 4413 (Have cover DE 4605 and stock RC 1618)

  7. #6

    Default

    Thanks for the help everyone. Of course, the shop owner claimed it was an original bringback. I brought it back to him!

  8. #7
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    16,789

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Teegeemitchell View Post
    Thanks for the help everyone. Of course, the shop owner claimed it was an original bringback. I brought it back to him!

    If it wasn't a bringback before, it is now! LOL

    We were just starting to like it. Could well be worth owning. How much was the shop owner asking?

  9. #8
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,945

    Default

    Made about February 1944 right near the end of the 2nd set of Rock-Old's serial numbers. At the end of carbine production in the 6 million range is when Rock-Ola started using the adjustable rear sight. Now while this one is close enough to have had one to start with as with carbines times frames are mostly best estimates, the rest of the gun has been refinished including the barrel band and the barrel. Yup the dealer brought it back from the local gunsmith.

  10. #9
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    5,381

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Teegeemitchell View Post
    Thanks for the help everyone. Of course, the shop owner claimed it was an original bringback. I brought it back to him!
    What exactly does he mean by "bringback"? US soldiers were allowed to bring back and keep enemy weapons, not their own.

  11. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Location
    midwest
    Posts
    2,397

    Default

    Sometimes pieces like this simply got "brought back."
    By hook or by crook.
    Issued weapons were usually registered at some level with one's unit.
    Others were simply acquired by any and various means.

  12. #11

    Default

    1550

  13. #12

    Default

    Whoops, thought I quoted the post on asking price

  14. #13
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Posts
    480

    Default

    Seems the high end to me, but you really gotta keep up with Carbines on a regular basis to know the prices, and I don't. Rebuilt and refinished is a $1,000 gun tops, to me, and this seems to be refinished by other than arsenal?

    Mike

  15. #14
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    16,789

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Teegeemitchell View Post
    1550
    $1,550 is too much for this carbine.

    But carbine sale prices have been silly-high in some cases recently.

  16. #15
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    5,381

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Sometimes pieces like this simply got "brought back."
    By hook or by crook.
    Issued weapons were usually registered at some level with one's unit.
    Others were simply acquired by any and various means.
    Correct. They are all property of Uncle Sam. You didn't bring them back like you could with enemy weapons. You could purchase these carbines from the DCM after the war, though, which is where 98% of the non-import marked M1 Carbines probably came from.

  17. #16
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,945

    Default

    Officers were able to buy their issued carbine at the end of the war. About 1 or 2% came back home in the bags of solders. Yes they were for the most part stolen but today seeing that the weapon is obsolete the government gave up on them years ago and could care less about them. How many .45 auto came back. I cannot even guess how many Thompsons were brought back. Even a few M1 Garand's made it back home.

  18. #17
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Posts
    232

    Default

    Maybe it was a German bring back

  19. #18

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jjjxlr8 View Post
    What exactly does he mean by "bringback"? US soldiers were allowed to bring back and keep enemy weapons, not their own.
    Hope you didn't get hurt when you fell off that turnip truck.

  20. #19
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    5,381

    Default

    Yeah, yeah, I know there was tons of stolen equipment. I know someone who sent several Thompsons back, among other things he shouldn't have. I just don't call those "bringbacks." Soldiers are still doing the same thing today, it's just more difficult.

  21. #20

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jjjxlr8 View Post
    Yeah, yeah, I know there was tons of stolen equipment. I know someone who sent several Thompsons back, among other things he shouldn't have. I just don't call those "bringbacks."
    After ribbing you above, I'll have to agree with you - the big problem described in official documents was mailing US property home. But 'mail home' isn't alliterative like 'bringback' so it loses out.

  22. #21
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Location
    Conroe, TX
    Posts
    1

    Default

    Overall, it looks like a nice Rock-Ola. One of my favorites. I’d love to see photos of the trigger housing, sear, Mag catch and the trigger. I’d also like to see photos of the Bolt. Can’t tell from your pictures if it’s flat or round. Looks to be flat, but can’t be certain.

    as far as the type 2 barrel band goes, it’s not correct for your rifle. Rock-Ola didn’t start using the Type 2 band until the 6M series block, so yours is too early for that. As for the rear sight, that’s an interesting point for discussion. According to War Baby, Vol. 1, pp 399, although Rock-Ola used Type 2 rear sights on the 6M block of rifles, the first use of them began in the second block of production, so therefore that could include your rifle.

    Nice find.

  23. #22
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    Location
    Arkansas
    Posts
    1,081

    Default

    Yeah, $1550 is too much for a refinished carbine, even a Rock-Ola.

  24. #23
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    2,930

    Default

    I'm not an authority on M1 Carbines (far from it) but I have three of the little beauties, Standard Products (my first one), Inland Motors Div. (my second) , and Underwood (my third). The Inland Motors is my shooter piece since it has a replacement stock. My first and second M1's I've had for nearly 50 years and gave around $75 for each of them back in those days. The Underwood M1 is about 95% original and I gave $1100 for it about 5 years ago. With number three came three 30 round mags, twelve 15 round mags and 300 rounds of M1 Carbine ammo, plus about 100 fifteen round stripper clips.

    A friend of mine who has a grandson and his wife came here from Oregon for a few days visit in Montana. We all had a shooting session one afternoon when I asked the grandson if he had ever shot a M1 Carbine. His reply was I've never even seen one. I handed him the shooter M1 (Inland Motors) with a fully loaded 30 round mag. There was a white painted 50 pound junk propane bottle set at 300 meters from the shooting bench. I set the rear sight at the "3" position and told him to hold on the top of the bottle. From a sitting rest position on the bench the 25 year old grandson hit the propane bottle about 5 times out of the 30 rounds. His first comment was "I've got to have one of these". I think we have made a shooting addict of this young man.

  25. #24
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    5,381

    Default

    The M1 Carbine was the very first semi-auto firearm that I purchased. Still have that one along with a bunch of others. The same rifle was also my son's first center-fire semi-auto. It's still one of my favorite shooters after 31 years!

  26. #25
    Join Date
    Dec 1969
    Posts
    16,732

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuna View Post
    Officers were able to buy their issued carbine at the end of the war. About 1 or 2% came back home in the bags of solders. Yes they were for the most part stolen but today seeing that the weapon is obsolete the government gave up on them years ago and could care less about them. How many .45 auto came back. I cannot even guess how many Thompsons were brought back. Even a few M1 Garand's made it back home.
    Tuna, there was no official officer purchase program. Stuff got back as we all know and probably the greatest clue to find the truth about an "officers bring back" is to determine if its all correct or is a mix master of parts. If mixed parts...the story is suspect as can be. If correct parts....most likely the carbine was a five fingered discount.

    Tons of stuff was brought back...not legally... but it was. We all know that fact for certain.

  27. #26
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,945

    Default

    Not an official program BUT officers were allowed to purchase their carbines to bring home. At that time the big draw back was there was no commercially made ammo for them. But I have seen a sales receipt for a carbine sold to a Naval Lt. CMD at the end of the war. He paid I think it was about $34 dollars for it.

  28. #27

    Default

    I've seen that too.
    Also, people use the term bring-back when in reality they never left. There were bunches in bases and warehouses here.

  29. #28
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    NW Ohio
    Posts
    5,381

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tuna View Post
    Not an official program BUT officers were allowed to purchase their carbines to bring home. At that time the big draw back was there was no commercially made ammo for them. But I have seen a sales receipt for a carbine sold to a Naval Lt. CMD at the end of the war. He paid I think it was about $34 dollars for it.
    Wow, those were expensive. I have a receipt for a 1903 MK1 from 1949 from the DCM and they were only $15.

  30. #29

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by jjjxlr8 View Post
    Wow, those were expensive. I have a receipt for a 1903 MK1 from 1949 from the DCM and they were only $15.
    That was the price for unserviceable M1903s (all of which had been officially declared obsolete). Apples and oranges.

  31. #30
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    1,945

    Default

    As tenOC said there were warehouses of carbines at the end of the war. In fact almost all of 1945 carbine production except for M2's were placed in warehouses. Most of these were issued for use later in Korea.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •