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    Hello, just wanted to share a recent acquisition. My primary collecting interest is Finnish/Russian arms, especially Civil Guard rifles. I've been wanting an M28/30 for awhile but had given up hope as I watched prices rise over $1,000 on gunbroker and they just don't come up for sale too often. I randomly found this on armslist, turns out it was backed by a real store willing to ship so I jumped on it. I would still like to find a '39 or '40 with the dated stock but this one is really growing on me.

    It's a 1935 dated example with some nice early/transitional features. One piece SYT marked stock, stylized font and serial numbered rear sight base. Possible KE inspector initials, earlier style cleaning rod, HV marked magazine. Matching barrel, bolt knob, buttplate. Good rifling, bore is bright but worn. Handguard doesnt match in color but I'm ok with it. I thought the recoil lug above trigger was interesting as well. I like the overall war horse look to it, not sure if I'll take it to the range as I don't load my own rounds but I'm happy to have it for the history.

    Any questions or comments welcome!

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    i like old military pugs and rifles.

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    Congrats! A very nice, honest example.
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    Nice job John, if you haven’t had an early tikka m27 with the winged bolt it is definitely worth getting .
    the m27 trigger is best I’ve felt out of any mosin and with the winged bolt it locks up like a bank vault. They can be easier to find at times. I would like to get an m28/30 one day too but my priorities have shifted. I hope you and your dog are well.

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    I like the repair at the stock's wrist. My M28/30 also had an internal crack in the stock, through the wood separating the openings for the trigger and magazine. I used a Brownell's kit consisting of Acraglass and threaded brass rods and installed the reinforcing pin in the same location.

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    Congrats, took me years to find my M28/30.

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    Very nice. Congrats!

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    That is really nice! Enjoy it.

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    Very nice indeed. I’m still lookin.

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    Very nice...passed on a $300 one without knowing it. Still hurting..

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    I'd be really happy with that one too, nice score!

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    Yep, a fine example, right as rain.

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    You son of a... I saw that listing, was going to buy it, and it was gone by the time I was getting ready to get my FFL info in order!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chevelle View Post
    Congrats, took me years to find my M28/30.
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    When it comes to Milsurps its snooze and you loose! There were times in my life I ate a lot of Ramadan noodles but had the rifles I wanted in the safe! Call it screwed up priorities or whatever you want but when I got an itch I scratch it. I had 24 28/30's at one time have sold many off now as I have found good fresh M39's shoot as good as the 28/30's without having to hand load or worry about the bores being 308 and being tight. I found that checking bores in 28/30's was a necessity and all the M39's I ever shot or checked were just fine for surplus which for the most part is all I shoot these days. I clean every thing like I just shot corrosive ammo so the surplus is fine with me. That is a fine looking 28/30 and like as not after slugging it you will find ammo that will match up with the bore. Slug the bore and check each box of commercial at the store with a good caliper. I even did it at the local Wally World with the clerks blessing. The bullets vary quite a bit from box to box in both commercial and surplus ammo I have found. Many of the 28/30's I have had over the years shoot just fine with any surplus and commercial ammo I have found. No signs of the dreaded over pressuring everyone fears so far.

    My read on M39's versus the 28/30 is the standard M39 with a decent bore will shoot as good as or better than a 28/30 without hand loads and slugging the barrel is not usually necessary either. The M39 just seems to uncomplicate the matter a bit versus what you have in a 28/30. I try to make all my trips to the range uncomplicated and fun and my M39's seem to fit right in there with that in mind. There's a lot of history in those 28/30's though and when you get things right they shoot awful good too! If you run across one that shoots kind of inconsistent and not up to your standards like as not you are looking at a 308 tight bored rifle. Even with them I have not seen any signs of over pressuring. Congrats on finding a great 28/30! So now try shooting it after slugging and find some proper ammo. Good Luck and enjoy it! Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebill View Post
    My read on M39's versus the 28/30 is the standard M39 with a decent bore will shoot as good as or better than a 28/30 without hand loads and slugging the barrel is not usually necessary either. The M39 just seems to uncomplicate the matter a bit versus what you have in a 28/30.
    According to one factory acceptance test, the average result for a 1943 m/39 (n=128) with D-166 was 2 MOA at 300 metres (8 best hits out of 10) or 0.9 MOA at 300 metres (the best 4 hits). The same results for 1940 M/28-30 (n=62) were 2.3 MOA (8/10) and 1.1 MOA (4/10). The post-war tests with S-283/4 ammunition resulted in a bit better accuracy over the D-166.

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    Appreciate the comments everyone, I had no idea it was hard to find a 28/30 until I started looking for one! RaoulHayDuke I called the store about an hour before they opened, someone happened to be there, they answered a few quick questions and I bought it right away. I have my local FFL form saved on my phone so I can send it out as needed, theyre used to old milsurp rifles randomly showing up without warning lol.

    zeebill one of my favorite shooters is a '43 Sky M39, I'll keep taking that to the range for now, not in a rush to shoot this one and don't have the tools/time for bore slugging and measuring bullets....maybe someday when life calms down a bit
    i like old military pugs and rifles.

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    Nice find, I will gladly trade you an 1891 that you were looking for😃

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    Quote Originally Posted by MongooseLaw View Post

    zeebill one of my favorite shooters is a '43 Sky M39, I'll keep taking that to the range for now, not in a rush to shoot this one and don't have the tools/time for bore slugging and measuring bullets....maybe someday when life calms down a bit
    Wow you hit the reason I like the M39 right on the nose uncomplicated and easy to use. I love the look of a 28/30 and indeed the feel is the same as the M39 but after cleaning, safety check, and head space check its pretty well ready to go. I fear for you wanting life to slow down and get simpler but the problem is you also slow down and simple things become harder to accomplish. Some days I wonder how I found time to go to work! About 20% of the 28/30's I have had over the years had the different color hand guard and I find quite a few replacement hand guards on the parts market. That would indicate a problem with the original hand guards to me yet I have never had to replace one or found one cracked? That two color appearance kind of endears them to me and I like the look. I have always liked the look of the straight stock M39's too but have never found one that shoots that great due to all mine being well used and one being even Sako marked on stock and action. Vic and powers to be always said that was one of those rifles that was used heavily and ended up in a straight stock late in life. The action year date was worn into the stock from the tang so it had to have been there quite awhile. Its fun taking that rifle and a 28/30 to the range together and having people ask what model those two are, thinking they are the same. Hehe! Somebodies getting a history lesson! You need to shoot that rifle you'll really like it I bet! It has taking me years to get most of mine shot and bore slugged though so I know what you mean about finding time. Congrats again! It looks like you found a real nice one! Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by MongooseLaw View Post
    Appreciate the comments everyone, I had no idea it was hard to find a 28/30 until I started looking for one! RaoulHayDuke I called the store about an hour before they opened, someone happened to be there, they answered a few quick questions and I bought it right away. I have my local FFL form saved on my phone so I can send it out as needed, theyre used to old milsurp rifles randomly showing up without warning lol.

    zeebill one of my favorite shooters is a '43 Sky M39, I'll keep taking that to the range for now, not in a rush to shoot this one and don't have the tools/time for bore slugging and measuring bullets....maybe someday when life calms down a bit
    Honestly, I'm just glad to see that you ended up with it. It's a nice one for very little money.

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    Those are nice rifles and as stated they are harder and harder to find now days. Nice example congrats.

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    I quit looking when everyone stopped deciding Finn stuff was junk. Bad memory of 28/30s lying in a pile at the outlet of the Old Sac Armory for $20 each and no takers. How things have changed!!

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    It is a really nice one MongooseLaw congrats. Denny

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    Very good looking 28/30! It's by far my favorite Mosin to shoot. Mine is also a 1935, just 12 #s off from yours.
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    Congratulations on a nice one! I spent several years looking for one and purchased my 1936 from the Trader here. Kinda like ZeeBill said, I really didn't have money for a rifle but damn they are hard to come by so I just bought it and trimmed my budget for other things. Turned out to be a good decision.

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    Saw an ad to sell a 91/30 and that front sight was not a 91/30. Made the phone call with no haggling and came home with a 28/30 for $200. This helped to make up for a "beautiful" 39 that I let go for $250 (before getting into the Mosin's)
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    Looks good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robertroadking View Post
    Nice find, I will gladly trade you an 1891 that you were looking for😃
    Sorry Robert think I'm gonna hang on to this one! I have too many of those M91's now, trying to diversify

    zeebill I hear you on that, things are probably never going to "slow down" but with renovating a house, running a business and having my first baby, any sort of plans for reloading are low on the priority list!

    RaoulHayduke that's another reason I jumped on it, I was a little surprised at the price, even with shipping and transfer I think I came out ok!

    Once again thanks for the comments everyone, will be making another thread soon with an interesting Civil Guard used 1917 Sestroryetsk M91 with service records from 1918 to 1939 (thanks Martti!)
    i like old military pugs and rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MongooseLaw View Post
    Any questions or comments welcome!
    This is a rifle from Myllykoski Civil Guard in Kymenlaakso and later Pohjois-Kymenlaakso Civil Guard District. The Civil Guard was formed around Myllykoski Paper Mill (defunct in 2011).

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    That's really cool, maybe someday I can get a nice printout of the flag and display it with the rifle....looking forward to finding out more info on this 28/30!
    i like old military pugs and rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MongooseLaw View Post
    ....looking forward to finding out more info on this 28/30!
    Had a first look at the available records by request of John. The rifle was privately funded. Factory specifications included walnut stock. Final inspection was by Kosti Eskola on April 11, 1935. The rifle was shipped on the next day to Kymenlaakso Civil Guard District. It was first issued to Vilho Heikkilä on May 22, 1935. The issued equipment were a sling, m/28 muzzle protector, m/28 bayonet & scabbard and frog.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    Had a first look at the available records by request of John. The rifle was privately funded. Factory specifications included walnut stock. Final inspection was by Kosti Eskola on April 11, 1935. The rifle was shipped on the next day to Kymenlaakso Civil Guard District. It was first issued to Vilho Heikkilä on May 22, 1935. The issued equipment were a sling, m/28 muzzle protector, m/28 bayonet & scabbard and frog.





    Amazing that such detailed records were kept and more amazing that they survive more than eighty years later.

    Thanks for posting!
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    After the Winter War, this very rifle and 23 others were returned to Myllykoski Civil Guard on November 11, 1940. The rifle, upon returning to the Civil Guard, was found equipped with a mismatching m/28 bayonet. Possibly the rifle spent the Winter War with 3. Prikaati (3rd Brigade) fighting in the Karelian Isthmus.


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    That is just too cool, thanks Martti. A confirmed war veteran...these records make Finnish arms collecting even better. I can buy a mismatch m/28 bayonet for the rifle and it will be historically correct! Haha

    Thanks again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    Had a first look at the available records by request of John. The rifle was privately funded. Factory specifications included walnut stock. Final inspection was by Kosti Eskola on April 11, 1935. The rifle was shipped on the next day to Kymenlaakso Civil Guard District. It was first issued to Vilho Heikkilä on May 22, 1935. The issued equipment were a sling, m/28 muzzle protector, m/28 bayonet & scabbard and frog.





    This Vilho Heikkilä !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????? ?

    https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/...annes-heikkila

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintovka View Post
    This Vilho Heikkilä !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????????? ?
    It's very unlikely this Vilho would have been the same as above as he would have been living in Tuusula when the war broke out. Tuusula is situated around 100 kilometres from Myllykoski. There are still comprehensive Civil Guard records available for most of the pre-war members.

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    Beautiful rifle I saw a 28/30 for $475 on a gun stores online website and they had an m28 that's was prices above it at $550. This was about 3 weeks ago if only I had the cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabelthebagel View Post
    Beautiful rifle I saw a 28/30 for $475 on a gun stores online website and they had an m28 that's was prices above it at $550. This was about 3 weeks ago if only I had the cash.

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    Yes sir that's where I picked this one up from, kinda kicking myself for not buying the m28 too! Wichita Gun Club, nice owner and a cool website.
    i like old military pugs and rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangrove View Post
    It's very unlikely this Vilho would have been the same as above as he would have been living in Tuusula when the war broke out. Tuusula is situated around 100 kilometres from Myllykoski. There are still comprehensive Civil Guard records available for most of the pre-war members.
    Was too weird to have his grave stone come up and the notation he was killed in the war. Anyway to research more over there?

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