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    Default US surcharge New England Westinghouse M91

    Hello, wanted to share a recent pickup from the WTS forum. This rifle was also on gunbroker but the reserve was not met. It has already been posted here in the Collector's forum but I thought I'd share some better pictures of this beauty. All matching numbers, overall great shape and a beautiful bore. Finish on the bolt reminds me of a Remington 1917, greenish-grey parkerizing. I noticed the sight ladder is Remington marked, is this common from the NEW factory or has it possibly been through an arsenal rebuild?

    Still kind of in shock that I ended up with this rifle, let me know what you think good or bad, I'm here to learn!

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    i like old military pugs and rifles.

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    A very nice and honest example! Congrats!
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    I love the walnut stocks on those rifles! Very nice acquisition!

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    Nice ones like that have gotten really scarce to almost extinct in the wild, a condition that sorta snuck up on most of us.
    The problem with that is, the guys with the piles of roachs think those roachs are now somehow magically desirable and worthy of the big bucks. Oh well............

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    They kept up with quality control right to the end. These are beautiful guns.

    Hey! Your mag floorplate is unnumbered!

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin08 View Post
    They kept up with quality control right to the end. These are beautiful guns.

    Hey! Your mag floorplate is unnumbered!
    Yes I noticed the floorplate issue, nothing an electro pencil engraver can't fix!
    i like old military pugs and rifles.

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    Can you fix mine, too?



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    Great looking Westy congrats! I'm wondering if your rear sight might be a Stevens-Duryea Plant subcontracted Westinghouse part. This plant used a <-R stamp, and manufactured rear sights, cleaning rods, and trigger guard assemblies. The red circles stamp could be a poorly stamped <-R. Another thought about the R in the oval on your rear sight. I kinda recall the Remington stamped rear sights have a R in a circle stamp. Food for thought. Denny


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    Compare the R on your Westinghouse to the R on your Remington Sight (just happened to find the your pic in a search)

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    Also check to see if there is paint in the numbers on the underside of the ladder. This was done on the US Surcharged production.



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    Gorgeous...congrats! Love the walnut stocks on the US Mosins.

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    Yep, there is paint in the numbers. I just compared with my Remington M91, the R in a circle on the NEW sight ladder is actually more of an oval shaped capital C with R inside, the circle does not close completely if that makes sense.

    Appreciate the comments, I also love the wood on these. I'm a walnut...nut when it comes to milsurp rifle stocks.
    i like old military pugs and rifles.

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    Nice rifle
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    Those are really nice collector items....very nice.

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    Very nice acquisition. I never did get my almost unissued example for my collection. NEW and the Remington M91 rifles were indeed wonderful things and quite beautiful. Think many of us figured they were crude right out of the factory and that was not the case. Give a recruit a new rifle and it won't look new for long. Ad a few wars and revolutions and you get what I got. Beautiful rifle and thanks for sharing it even if it was on the boards once before. Too bad about the non matching floor plate {wink wink}. Regards, John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin08 View Post
    Also check to see if there is paint in the numbers on the underside of the ladder. This was done on the US Surcharged production.


    Is that set in stone as my N.E.W isn't a US surcharge rifle and it has faint traces of white paint on the underside of the sight leaf.All the stamps and marks on mine are N.E.W factory marks and Cyrillic proofs, not Finned/Balkan-ised at all and no Flaming Bomb ordnance marks etc.
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    Nice, very nice.

    I see very very few of the U.S. made examples in the shops and shows in my area, and very very rarely at that...….and they seem to be priced astronomically when found.

    I'd love to eventually add an excellent condition example though. Maybe someday.

    Dale

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snayperskaya View Post
    Is that set in stone as my N.E.W isn't a US surcharge rifle and it has faint traces of white paint on the underside of the sight leaf.All the stamps and marks on mine are N.E.W factory marks and Cyrillic proofs, not Finned/Balkan-ised at all and no Flaming Bomb ordnance marks etc.
    I probably should have specified that I have seen the paint on the New England Westinghouse, but not the Remington. The earlier sights could well have been issued with paint.

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    I highly recommend "Allied Rifle Contracts in America" by Luke Mercaldo. I bought this book after acquiring my N.E.W. M91. On page 55, he says "The U.S. contract made rifles had white paint in the calibration marks. Even so, this was not done on the Remington rifles acquired under U.S. Ordinance contract R-309." That being said, the "R" by itself is the "River" (Chicopee Falls) plant i.d. mark. It's not very clear, but you can see how the center bar of the "R" extends to the left, which if stamped more accurately, would have been an arrow pointing to the left. The "R" within a "C" is a bit of an enigma. Remington's mark is clearly an "R" within a circle. Generally, anytime I've seen something inside a "C" means it went to Canada. That particular mark doesn't show up in Mr. Mercaldo's book, nor does it show up on the "Mosin Nagant Rifle Guide to Proofs and Markings" web site. Hopefully someone will solve this puzzle. My curiosity is piqued.

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    Having done a little more looking around on the web, I'm of the opinion that the "C" (with an R inside) is a Serbian 'C' (Cyrillic 'S'), and is probably a Russian acceptance mark of some kind?

    Getting back to how your gun wound up in the UK, Mr. Mercaldo offers this possible avenue on page 48 of his book: "The Mosin-Nagant rifles used by the ANREF (American North Russia Expeditionary Force) had been shipped to Russia, but were diverted to Great Britain after the collapse of the Kerensky government on November 7, 1918. There were NEW rifles, as those rifles had been purchased with British credits, and were among 150,000 rifles that had been "inspected, cleaned and reconditioned" in Britain."

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