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    Default 1916 Dragoon Showcase and Questions

    The other day I picked up this 1916 Dragoon that on won in an online auction. It fills a gap in my collection and I am glad that I finally have an Imperial Dragoon. It is a Finned example with a 91/30 handguard and Finn matched bolt. It does however have the correct barrel bands and “КАВ” marked rear sight as well as a good bore.

    I don’t normally post my acquisitions but I have several questions about this one. First, the markings, it is double “SA” stamped and has a “41” stamp on the opposite side of the barrel shank. Is it common for this to occur? Second, the sling has me puzzled. I can’t find any markings on it. It does not look like other Finn slings I’ve seen as it is wider. It appears to have been on the rifle for a long time. Anyone have an idea what kind of sling it is? Thanks!
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    Nice find!

    I can’t help you on the sling, but the 41 stamp designates that it was captured towards the beginning of the continuation war. Having more than one set of SA stamps is less common but it occurs on some Finnish rifles.

    I have a 1913 dragoon that also has two SA stamps and is 41 marked.
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    Another marking on this rifle that I forgot to mention is that it has a “W” on the top of the stock. From what I have read this is an Austrian mark. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing if this is the original stock. The roundel is not legible and there is no date under the buttplate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountaineer273 View Post
    Another marking on this rifle that I forgot to mention is that it has a “W” on the top of the stock. From what I have read this is an Austrian mark. Unfortunately there is no way of knowing if this is the original stock. The roundel is not legible and there is no date under the buttplate.
    Given that the barrel/receiver don’t appear to be Austrian marked but the stock is, I would guess it may not be the original stock.

    Either way, that rifle has a lot going for it and I really like it.

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    Pretty sure the sling is Soviet leather sling for the 91/30. There was some info on these slings, but I did not save a link to the thread (which would help to ID it).
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    I'm not 100% convinced thats a Soviet sling - I'm thinking Bulgarian.

    Compare with the Finn captured pre-war leather Soviet slings in this awesome thread....

    https://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...h-Mosin-Slings

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    Mountain:

    Congrats! Nice example!

    I'm curious about the current market value of Finn marked Dragoons like yours.

    If you feel comfortable please share the purchase price. And if anyone else has an opinion of value I'd be interested in hearing it.

    Thanks.
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    I recently sold two "41" marked Finn Capture Dragoons for around $450 a piece shipped. I sold off all of my capture weapons in an effort to slim down my collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard in NY* View Post
    Mountain:

    Congrats! Nice example! <img src="https://forums.gunboards.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" border="0" alt="" title="thumbsup" class="inlineimg" />

    I'm curious about the current market value of Finn marked Dragoons like yours. <img src="https://forums.gunboards.com/images/smilies/question.gif" border="0" alt="" title="question" class="inlineimg" />

    If you feel comfortable please share the purchase price. And if anyone else has an opinion of value I'd be interested in hearing it.

    Thanks.
    I have been interested myself. I paid $600 for it which might be a bit much. I figured it was fair because I’ve bought and seen sell Finned 1920s Soviet Dragoons in the $400-$600 range. I’ve been after an Imperial Dragoon for a while and didn’t mind paying a slight premium since they are much less common than Soviet era Dragoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fernleaf View Post
    I'm not 100% convinced thats a Soviet sling - I'm thinking Bulgarian.

    Compare with the Finn captured pre-war leather Soviet slings in this awesome thread....

    https://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...h-Mosin-Slings
    Interesting. I thought it might be some sort of Russian. Unless it was put on in the rifle Stateside, I would think it odd for a Bulgarian sling to be on a Russian/Finn rifle.

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    Slings can come from anywhere---somebody may have had an extra sling, or bought a sling.
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