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    Happy fourth. Bless America. The President gave his PKBA. Simple as that.
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    Remember what the 4th stands for & represents.
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    Remember , today marks the beginning of this country and many have died to keep it both together and from harm . On this day in 244 years ago after months of arguing back and forth among a very diverse group of representatives, who initially called the revolt in Massachusetts , a local affair, these brave men signed their death warrant to a Declaration of Independence !! Ask yourself if you or anyone you know , would have been so bold as to do this. They embarked on a mission to extricate their states, together , from the most powerful nation on earth at the time, and offered farmers and home owners as well as wealthy men, to do it. Nothing really went right for a long time and many became disheartened . But there were those who never gave up. They looked beyond the defeats and saw a way to victory . It was not easy and took a long time but we have the greatest nation on earth , diverse yet powerful, rich yet generous, protective yet sharing. Remind everyone, that today marked the beginning of "The True Rights of Man " , protected with force if necessary buy only if necessary .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkie View Post
    Remember , today marks the beginning of this country and many have died to keep it both together and from harm . On this day in 244 years ago after months of arguing back and forth among a very diverse group of representatives, who initially called the revolt in Massachusetts , a local affair, these brave men signed their death warrant to a Declaration of Independence !! Ask yourself if you or anyone you know , would have been so bold as to do this. They embarked on a mission to extricate their states, together , from the most powerful nation on earth at the time, and offered farmers and home owners as well as wealthy men, to do it. Nothing really went right for a long time and many became disheartened . But there were those who never gave up. They looked beyond the defeats and saw a way to victory . It was not easy and took a long time but we have the greatest nation on earth , diverse yet powerful, rich yet generous, protective yet sharing. Remind everyone, that today marked the beginning of "The True Rights of Man " , protected with force if necessary buy only if necessary .
    Indeed. I sometimes wonder if things didn't change, forever, for the worse, when the French went crazy. sometimes wonder if things went to the bad and never really recovered when Sir Edward Pellew drove French 74-gun ship of the line Droits de l'Homme (Rights of Man) into the surf and drowned over a thousand on 14 January 1797 (companion frigate - Pellew had the Indefagitable - HMS Amazon, also went ashore in Audierne Bay), but Indefatigable managed to claw her way off. Symbolic, maybe. The rights of man died and only lip service paid since. Blame the French?
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    Clyde --- "Blame the French" for what ? Very few anymore want to assume responsibility for any kind of damage they might do. Everywhere on earth lawlessness seems to be the order of the day and the law breakers appear to be left to go "scot free" and never held accountable or blamed for what they've done. Those who we pay to protect our lives and property (police forces) from the law breakers who should be blamed are now being accused and blamed of being the law breakers themselves. Just because a couple cops in one large metro city murdered one person, policemen in many metro cities are taking the blame and paying a horrible price. Many of these hard working policemen and women have given up entirely on police work and seeking another way to make an honest living.

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    It is a Great Day to be an American!! Watching President Trumps 4th of July celebration in the National Mall.

    Proud of my Country and Principals we stand for and help bring to the World!

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    Looks like the Blues were there. I believe the Thunderbirds were, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Coulee View Post
    Clyde --- "Blame the French" for what ? Very few anymore want to assume responsibility for any kind of damage they might do. Everywhere on earth lawlessness seems to be the order of the day and the law breakers appear to be left to go "scot free" and never held accountable or blamed for what they've done. Those who we pay to protect our lives and property (police forces) from the law breakers who should be blamed are now being accused and blamed of being the law breakers themselves. Just because a couple cops in one large metro city murdered one person, policemen in many metro cities are taking the blame and paying a horrible price. Many of these hard working policemen and women have given up entirely on police work and seeking another way to make an honest living.
    Blame them for turning a revolution intended to bring Liberty, Brotherhood, and Equality into an uncontrolled bloodbath and unleashing Napoleon Bonaparte on the world. Ever since, it seems revolutions have followed the French model instead of the (imperfect, but better) American example. We ran Tories out, but no mass murder (and avoided that in 1865, as well - good thing that).
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    In my little town there's is always a parade down Main Street ( don't blink you'll miss it) and a festival of sorts but it was canceled this year cause of covid19 but cause no one could go to a parade they brought the parade to the people paraded all the way across the entire town I thought it was a cool take

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    Blame them for turning a revolution intended to bring Liberty, Brotherhood, and Equality into an uncontrolled bloodbath and unleashing Napoleon Bonaparte on the world. Ever since, it seems revolutions have followed the French model instead of the (imperfect, but better) American example. We ran Tories out, but no mass murder (and avoided that in 1865, as well - good thing that).
    I was always amazed that French went from Bourbons to Bonaparte in a decade or less. Bonaparte wanted a hereditary sort of monarchy himself, and divorced Eugenie in order to marry a princess he hoped would give him an heir. I guess the appeal was that on paper anyone could aspire to becoming an imperial royal. Of course, had they looked back on their own history they'd have seen that that's how most kings et al got to where they were if you went back far enough: a strong man tough and ruthless and influential enough to take the throne.

    I bet Bernie Sanders and the other self-professed socialists in the US don't discuss the current crops of Communist countries that have become family oligarchies themselves, at least with Cuba and North Korea. Don't believe Marx and Engels ever discussed that either. Would interfere with the lies I guess. Not sure how Mao felt about it, but his wife tried to take over for him: but it didn't work for her.

    Funny to me how many Americans go all ga-ga over the British royals, and some still talk wistfully about the Kennedy era and "Camelot" (at least in Camelot, the dynasty appeared to end violently, though wonder how many "Camelot" boosters realized that.)

    It DID take the Bolshevik revolutionaries a bit longer to start devouring themselves than the Jacobins and Girondists in France, but, then, you DID have to destroy the Mensheviks and Kerensky first so maybe the time frame really was similar. But am sure Bernie and AOC and the rest of the Squad are so much smarter that they're sure it couldn't happen to them if they manage to get their druthers.

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    Nice!! President Trump gave a fantastic speech there too if you happened to catch it!

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    Saw it on YOUTUBE last night. Great speech as I couldn't catch it live where I was at over the weekend.--

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    I watched the PBS show http://www.pbs.org/a-capitol-fourth/watch-2020-show/
    Didn't have to watch a political stump speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    I watched the PBS show http://www.pbs.org/a-capitol-fourth/watch-2020-show/
    Didn't have to watch a political stump speech.
    What is a stump speech?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    I watched the PBS show http://www.pbs.org/a-capitol-fourth/watch-2020-show/
    Didn't have to watch a political stump speech.
    If you would have watched it, you would have known your comment was false !!

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    Do you not have a small child with a vice grip to change channels?
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    Quis custodies ipsos custodiet
    (ascribed to Plato, in "The Republic").
    Trans. "Who guards the guards, whilst the guards guard you?"

    Happy Fourth ( a bit delayed, like most things by Corona)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DocAV View Post
    Quis custodies ipsos custodiet
    (ascribed to Plato, in "The Republic").
    Trans. "Who guards the guards, whilst the guards guard you?"

    Happy Fourth ( a bit delayed, like most things by Corona)

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    Didn't know Plato wrote in Latin.

    Quis custodies ipsos custodiet seems to have probably come from Juvenal, who MIGHT have borrowed the idea (guardians needing somebody to watch over their behavior) from Socrates or Plato.

    I will note that current agitation about police behavior suggests that the whole idea of watchmen needing some oversight does bear consideration. I fear that the function will be by such untrustworthy and easily corruptible sorts as are frequently found among "Community Organizers".
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    He probably didn't, but its not his quote anyway!
    The phrase, as it is normally quoted in Latin, comes from the Satires of Juvenal, the 1st–2nd century Roman satirist. Although in its modern usage the phrase has universal, timeless applications to concepts such as tyrannical governments, uncontrollably oppressive dictatorships, and police or judicial corruption and overreach, in context within Juvenal's poem it refers to the impossibility of enforcing moral behaviour on women when the enforcers (custodes) are corruptible
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    Has been translated in latin but wrote in greek.
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    Why would a Roman Satirist write in Greek?
    Was it a sophistication hang up or what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by plonker View Post
    Why would a Roman Satirist write in Greek?
    Was it a sophistication hang up or what?
    Plato was born in Athens, dies in Athens. Ancient Greek philosopher
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    Plato was born in Athens, dies in Athens. Ancient Greek philosopher
    Are you sure? Were you there?
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    My flag ripped while out for the 4th. I guess I have to retire it. Now the search is on for a good quality one NOT made in China.
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    https://libertyflags.com/
    I've had good luck with these

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    [QUOTE=DocAV;10364897]Quis custodies ipsos custodiet
    (ascribed to Plato, in "The Republic").
    Trans. "Who guards the guards, whilst the guards guard you?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    Plato was born in Athens, dies in Athens. Ancient Greek philosopher
    OK, so what?
    The phrase, as it is normally quoted in Latin, comes from the Satires of Juvenal, the 1st–2nd century Roman satirist.
    “Americans talk a lot about the value of freedom, but are actually afraid of anyone who truly exhibits it”.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thielenjp View Post
    https://libertyflags.com/
    I've had good luck with these
    Thanks!
    Need me a decent flag pole too. Those spinners always seem to get tangled up. Maybe I'll get a bigger pole than the Brig general next store. hehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    My flag ripped while out for the 4th. I guess I have to retire it. Now the search is on for a good quality one NOT made in China.
    There is or used to be an outfit in San Antone that makes and supplies a considerable variety of flags (Stars & Stripes and others), and at least were Made in the USA last time I looked, though fairly pricey.
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    When I bought this flag several years ago I was hard pressed to find one made in USA. I was shocked that most all U.S. flags were made in china.
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    Got one from “parka stain”?
    yes even harder to avoiding Chinese stuff ...
    the silkscreen screened ones. Everywhere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DK PHILLIPS View Post
    Got one from “parka stain”?
    yes even harder to avoiding Chinese stuff ...
    the silkscreen screened ones. Everywhere!
    OMG! Pakistain?
    As a liberally minded guy that has more religious and family values than any Evangelical Protestant these days it just irks the you know what out of me that anyone would have the balls to import our flag made elsewhere.
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    Have a nice Bonnie Blue, but am not sure where it was made. Got it from a store in Jefferson that has flags and other militaria. Need to put it up, today is N.B. Forrest's birthday and he'd likely recognize it.

    Well, took the Bonnie Blue out, checked for a "made in" label and found it not. Guess it was on the package which has long since been thrown away. Still a nice flag, and looks nice waving in the breeze flaunting its "single star". "Hurrah boys, hurrah, hurrah for the Bonnie blue Flag that bears a Single Star", eh?
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    I have two nice flags I don’t fly. One presented to me by an Air Force colonel at my fathers funeral. One presented to me by the brigade commander at FOB Salerno during my departure ceremony. They flew that flag over the TOC that day - very touching. I have no idea where my working flag was made. But I think it’s been in our family long enough to predate Chinese imports of such.
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    Clyde ---- It appears to me a trend has been and is being set for government changes to use a "B" word to initiate the changes. As just a couple examples the revolution to bring liberty to the French people brought on "Bonaparte's" blood bath. A revolution to take down the Russian Tsar brought about the "Bolsheviks". Now in America today the "Black Lives Matter" bunch are trying to turn us into a black Muslim country.

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