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    Default Argentine 1891 carbine?

    I deal mostly with post-1898 Mauser’s so I came here with questions. Is this a good example of what it is? And is it worth what they’re asking? How original does the finish look for these types and it it supposed to have a cleaning rod? The stock looks untouched to me and every serial number I found quickly matched. They’re asking $375. The bore looks dark and crusty all the way through but the rifling is deep.

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    Also, why has the top of the front receiver ring been ground?

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    Walk away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Augustine View Post
    Walk away.
    interesting thank you!

    I mean no disrespect, but may I ask why?

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    It's stock has been cut down, Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	3686829 this is what it should look like. They are great rifles. You will find the crest ground on most,the Argentine government did it I believe when they were sold out of service but don't remember details, John

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    Unfortunately, bubba got a hold of that one...

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    Might make a decent hog/truck rifle, for maybe $150-200 but bore sounds bad?

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    Yes, way overpriced for a cut down stock, and barrel looking at the muzzle photo.

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    Nice that it is an antique. Offer much less to get that sporterized rifle.

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    It's not a carbine. It's a rifle with a cut down stock, a bent bolt (but probably not a the bent bolt from a carbine) and the barrel ground flush with the front sight. Bubba did it. If it has a bad bore, it's not even worth $100 for parts.

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    Wow those are beautiful!! Thank you all for teaching me! Did the Argentines ever have carbines or just rifles?

    And John, is that a trigger lock on that rifle?
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    It's stock has been cut down, Click image for larger version. 

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    Yes, the bore looks not great but the grooves are actually not bad. Theres just a lot of pitting on the lands
    Quote Originally Posted by capnduane View Post
    Might make a decent hog/truck rifle, for maybe $150-200 but bore sounds bad?

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    That rifle is an expensive dead end. A real Argentine carbine can be found for the same or a little more money and it will be worth what you paid. Also, will be fun to shoot and will be worth more in time. The other boogered up guns in that rack of 'forlorn hopes' should be your first red flag. Patience grasshopper.
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ID:	36886978mm_mauser its not a trigger lock just something I used to stand the rifles up. These two we picked up in the last couple of years,my oldest son had one a few years back and sold it all were found local and also all have ground crest and the most I paid was $275. Bayonets are also pretty sharp. They were made with brass and aluminum grips. The only downside I have found is ammo.Click image for larger version. 

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    On the subject rifle, the barrel is cut, the stock is cut, the bolt is bent, and the bore does not sound great. Nothing left there.

    Photos are:
    M1891 Argentine long rifle
    M1891 Spanish carbine (same as Argentine, other than markings)
    M1891 Argentine engineer carbine
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    Thank you all for your time, as I stated post 98 Mausers made for the German army are my specialty so I learned a lot here!!

    Why were crests ground?

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    My son explained it to me but simply put there had been some Argentine rifles sold and then used against a friendly country which made for bad feelings so the Argentine government passed a law that crests be ground before they could leave the country. They also ground crests off the bayonets. The law was later dropped which why you can find intact crests on later rifles, John.

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    Dont walk....RUN away....Many better deals out there

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    I have a cavalry carbine, converted back from an engineer's carbine. Has the crest. With a full-house load, it kicks. I load for mine down because I don't need a full-house load. Handy and neat. Bore is strong but frosty.

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    I'd explain to the shop that it's a bubba-cut Model 1891 and that they priced it at what a non-cut rifle would fetch. Advise them the bore is likely rusty and pitted. If you can get it under $150, it could be a very nice "shooter" or deer rifle, if you are so inclined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bones92 View Post
    I'd explain to the shop that it's a bubba-cut Model 1891 and that they priced it at what a non-cut rifle would fetch. Advise them the bore is likely rusty and pitted. If you can get it under $150, it could be a very nice "shooter" or deer rifle, if you are so inclined.
    I do appreciate your advice but I honestly have other firearms commitments at this time 🙂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnbhm View Post
    My son explained it to me but simply put there had been some Argentine rifles sold and then used against a friendly country which made for bad feelings so the Argentine government passed a law that crests be ground before they could leave the country. They also ground crests off the bayonets. The law was later dropped which why you can find intact crests on later rifles, John.
    interesting thank you

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