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    Went to Peru about a year ago, and of course you cannot bring a gun in. Gotta buy it in country after a period of time. I took a nice knife since I was going to the Peruvian Jungle, thats allowed. But truthfully all the people were very nice and most spoke english. Always had a guide or two with us and driving us around. Not much violent crime at all.
    Lots of Americans and europeans live in Peru. Cusco is a great city, I may go hide out there if this damn virus ever goes away. Can't get in there now. Beaches to Jungle to the Andes, love it.

    In case anyone was wondering here are the basics for non-residents. However always check anyway as laws change.

    I can carry after I complete my residency (about a three month process.)

    I can only carry up to and including 38 and the rounds must be FMJ. You can own larger caliber handguns for sporting purposes but if you use it in self defense, well have a nice long vacation in a Peruvian Prison.

    Each gun has to have it's own license.

    Peru has equal and opposite force laws so using a handgun for self defense better be valid or well, have a nice long vacation in a Peruvian prison.

    If you carry a semi there is no limit to the size of the mag just as I said it must be FMJ. If you are caught with any type of hollow point, shredder, well, have a nice long trip in a Peruvian prison.

    I was told not to bring a gun in as it is a hassle and they will never get back into the US. And some people who have tried to legally bring in guns have ended up in...you guessed it a Peruvian Prison.


    Here's a neat little article from a guy who went down there and speaks on gun ownership as well. https://www.activeresponsetraining.n...handguns%2C%20

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    – Background checks through three different government agencies
    – A psychological test evaluating logic and basic hand eye coordination
    – A psychiatric test to ensure that the gun owner is not mentally ill
    – Passing a basic gun safety class taught by the National Police
    – Handgun permits also require a shooting test. The qualification is shot on a silhouette target at 50 feet. Five shots are fired. One hit anywhere on the silhouette (or paying the tester 20 Peruvian Soles…approximately $7 dollars) passes the test. No shooting test is required for a long gun

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    Problem with all those "Other" countries is health care !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkie View Post
    Problem with all those "Other" countries is health care !!! Unless Trump gets reelected, we will have similar, death panel health care here, courtesy of the Democraps !
    Peru is a very poor country and universal care helps the very poor. You can buy private ins also ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    Your an idiot.
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    auto correct on phone. Fixed it for ya, happy? Not sure why people have to ruin a thread with politics when it's not about politics. Something about RKBA would have been nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    You're an idiot. Peru is a very poor country and universal care helps the very poor. You can buy private ins also so STFU!
    OHHhhhhh hit a nerve huh !!!!! Well nothing beats Medicare unless you hand it out to millions of deadbeats and illegals.[ like the Dumb Rats are promising], and then , you just die. I've seen 3rd world country health care and it stinks. But seeing as you're so enamored with Peru, we hope you're packing as we post !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard in NY* View Post
    I suggest you not throw stones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkie View Post
    Problem with all those "Other" countries is health care !!! Unless Trump gets reelected, we will have similar, death panel health care here, courtesy of the Democraps !
    pinkie if you persist in making off topic political comments to each thread you won’t last here. Last warning, not open for discussion.
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    So anyways, if your in Cusco and want a bar to go hang with someone other than local types check out Paddy's Irish Pub, Norton Rats Tavern and Rock House Cafe next to Plaza de Armas. https://www.google.com/search?q=bars...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Bender View Post
    pinkie if you persist in making off topic political comments to each thread you won’t last here. Last warning, not open for discussion.
    OK so I'm an "Idiot" but that's OK with you ???? Seems like there are friends who can do anything and others who can't !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    So anyways, if your in Cusco and want a bar to go hang with someone other than local types check out Paddy's Irish Pub, Norton Rats Tavern and Rock House Cafe next to Plaza de Armas. https://www.google.com/search?q=bars...hrome&ie=UTF-8
    Stop sending me vile insulting private messages . Your a very foolish [...........].

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinkie View Post
    OK so I'm an "Idiot" but that's OK with you ???? Seems like there are friends who can do anything and others who can't !!
    Why don’t you read the thread. Look for the comment you refer to. I’m sure you’ll then feel like apologizing, because you’re not a idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    Peru is a very poor country and universal care helps the very poor. You can buy private ins also ...

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    Peru , like every other South American country and most , just below the US border , are socialist paradises where there are 2 kinds of people, very poor and very rich . The rich have their own doctors and the poor get what's left over and stand in line for it . I would be considered one of the rich , as I am here in the US but it was because I grew up in a country where as Milton Friedman said, "You can make as much money as you want" . and I did !! In those SA countries, you are stuck if you're poor . If you have an idea , make money at it, they take it away. Minorities are discriminated against , the darker the skin, the lower you are on the economic scale . Sounds like you go down there, strut around with dollars hanging out of your pockets and recreate the "Ugly American" . As a white guy, you don't have to do anything to be superior !! [50 years ago in Mexico, the girls from the Cruz Rojas wanted to kiss me, not the 2 other guys who were Italian , I'm blond , Ojo Azul ]. I like this country and the middle class and I'm doing everything I can to protect that.

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    Here's a tip if you like good bourbon. Bring your own because all they got even in Lima and Cuzco is Jack Daniels. But there's some fun Mericans and Irishman down there to hang out with.
    And as usual if you want to buy a place there you can live like a king on your SS and pension.
    Big plus, can own a gun.
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    Guys!!! PLEASE! Seems to me "self-degrading" in moving arguments from factual to attacks upon a fellow Board member! Such for 'perhaps' stating differing points of view or simple obvious error. Good gosh! Factual winner of 'name calling arguments', typically the "emerged Gentleman". But why go there!!! If you disagree, impress with facts & logic, as counter argument! If choosing not, how about as my Catholic Nun aunt to say... "Suffer in silence, virtue and faith." Advice offered seriously here. Moreover, considering these political times particularly, I do practice regularly!

    I do appreciate estaban's Thread here. Interesting, informative and thought provoking in context of common exotic retirement location dreams. Having lived overseas, I don't conjure ever "going out armed".
    That said, his insights regarding Peru informative! But too, perhaps more useful in 'general', as heads up in "lifestyle" matters to consider.

    Most of us have conjured some measure of exotic retirement location dreams. His point of healthcare concerns abroad a 'heavy reality'. Uncommon our domestic private healthcare extending 'any' benefits overseas! "Out of pocket", becoming exclusive personal 'source'.

    On the foreign nation laws aspect... Add, some nations "rule of law", as modified/controlled/overridden by "practices of corruption"! From "street justice" to bribery; opposite side of coin as extortion! Beyond even where reasonable "rule of law", in first world nations, hazards abound.

    Changing legal entry category from "Tourist/Temporary Business visas" to "Resident"; moreover to foreign Citizen... Rifle with issues in respect of any nation!

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    Here's a cool shot of Plaza de Armas. The dang streets are better than in my city. Nice place to have a coffee. It's over 11,000 ft so lots of people cannot handle the elevation and get sick.
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    Compared to most places,it sounds like expats there actually get a pretty good deal when it comes to self protection.Most Countries don't even allow their own citizens to be armed nowadays let alone foreigners.Or if they do its under the most stringent of circumstances.

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    But then again, in some countries there isn't a need.
    But an interesting account of the rules relating to gun ownership in Peru.

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    About 40 years ago I had friends that were looking for a place to retire and where their money would go farther than here. Someone mentioned an American Colony in Guadalajara . They said there was good health care, everyone spoke American and it was cheap to live. One day, they were gone and no one saw them for several years . Now this was a small town and everyone knew these people and there were several families, [husband / wife ] whom we all knew. One day , one of them showed up and I asked how Guadalajara was , and he said they didn't live there anymore ! He had moved to Tennessee . He said the health care was poor, they had to keep coming back to the border, the food was dull and poor in the summer and the locals began to resent them for their "wealth".He said it was a big mistake !! I have been to many places in the world but the USA has them beat overall. Older people have more problems , especially health wise so staying where the best health care in the world , is important . A friend of mine , lives in Arizona and says the Canadians come here for their health care . [I remember being in Paris looking for a multivitamin . What they had was some kind of alka seltzer which lacked many I needed ].
    There's lots of charming places but like has been said over and over, "It's a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there" . Want tropical, go to Florida or Hawaii .

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    This ain't about healthcare but since your so inclined; Forty years ago is a long time. In large cities in Mexico now like Puerto Vallarta there are small American hospitals, ya gotta drive right by one coming from the airport. Same with lots of south american countries where there are lots of Americans like Costa Rica. Ain't no death squads there. lol

    Anyways, out in the suburbs in the larger cities you will see 9 ft walls everywhere, with a little guard towers in the corners and by the large gates. This was from when the communist party - Shining Path was blowing things up and robbing banks. It was mayhem in the 80's. Was there a little bit then too. They eventually caught and executed them all, no more Shining Path.
    Foreigners cannot buy property anymore in the Sacred Valley cus to many were taking over and you guessed it, gentrification.
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    for those interested, google The Thirsty Traveler,


    guy had a show where he went to various countries/locales etc and imbibed with the locals,

    Peru made him very sick, but drinking Chica from the source he did, and maybe some altitude sickness, likely would affect anyone


    looks like a lovely place to visit


    found it on youtube


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gnd9jrxWGc

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    Caracas is similar.
    We used to go from 55' Above sea level to Caracas but to get there you have to go over the (7,200 ft) Cordillera de la Costa mountains first before descending into the valley.
    Headaches, fatigue, upset digestive systems & so on are all symptoms of "soroche" (mountain sickness) which is actually oxygen deprivation.
    If you ever go there don't let the locals give you the medicinal plant with pear-shaped leaves to put in your cheek as a natural cure. Oh it works, & very well. But its a Cocaine leaf being used as a "patch"!
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    Guys I’m trying to find out why the thread was closed. Until Ken K writes me back I’m opening it up at the request of several members. Hope I don’t get whacked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by North Bender View Post
    Guys I’m trying to find out why the thread was closed. Until Ken K writes me back I’m opening it up at the request of several members. Hope I don’t get whacked.
    thank you
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    OK thanks. I got a PM from Estoban requesting this.
    Hopefully not my PSA on local "Erbal Medicine"
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    To each his own, but I wouldn't visit south America for any amount of money.

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    Its a big varied place. Some of it is nice, some not so much.
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    Most places, including the US, are like that.

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    well i,ve been to quite a few crap holes in the world and every one had a bright spot or two, but over all i was glad come home to the got old USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staffy View Post
    But then again, in some countries there isn't a need.
    But an interesting account of the rules relating to gun ownership in Peru.
    But how do you really define need?.Its all very arbitrary and it depends on individual circumstances.In Australia and NZ you can't even own non-lethal items like pepper spray.That is just unreasonable,in any society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    This ain't about healthcare but since your so inclined; Forty years ago is a long time. In large cities in Mexico now like Puerto Vallarta there are small American hospitals, ya gotta drive right by one coming from the airport. Same with lots of south american countries where there are lots of Americans like Costa Rica. Ain't no death squads there. lol

    Anyways, out in the suburbs in the larger cities you will see 9 ft walls everywhere, with a little guard towers in the corners and by the large gates. This was from when the communist party - Shining Path was blowing things up and robbing banks. It was mayhem in the 80's. Was there a little bit then too. They eventually caught and executed them all, no more Shining Path.
    Foreigners cannot buy property anymore in the Sacred Valley cus to many were taking over and you guessed it, gentrification.
    I'm not so sure pasting a sign "American Hospital" is a very reassuring thing. Mexico, like much of Latin America is a 3rd world country and will tell you what ever you want to hear . The fact that Peru will give you a gun permit after 3 months of "Residency" [?], is also not very reassuring . I've been all over the world and never thought I needed a gun . [My cousin tells me the Canadians come HERE for their health care ]. The lure of living on your Social Security , like a king, will get old . The last thing I'd want is to get Covid-19 in someplace like Peru . Like may diseases , they are poorly equipped to handle them. I like it here in the good old USA where I know what to expect .

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintovka View Post
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    Ok, then hopefully you won’t feel the need to comment any further on his posts.
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    Well a big thank you to the admin God's out there! The thread didn't start off so well at first but seems to be back on track somewhat.

    Not going to dwell on healthcare because that's not the thread topic.It's RKBA. If you feel the need please start your own thread somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Bender View Post
    Ok, then hopefully you won’t feel the need to comment any further on his posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plonker View Post
    OK thanks. I got a PM from Estoban requesting this.
    Hopefully not my PSA on local "Erbal Medicine"
    I don't think so. But I'm glad you brought it up.
    But truly every hotel and restaurant in Peru has hot Coca tea waiting and ready. It will not get you high. It helps very well with altitude sickness. Thats what it is all about and has been for centuries. Just until recently it was made into cocaine for other medicinal purposes like dentistry. Then abuse.
    If your up above 11,000 ft you might want the tuck some leaves under your tongue. Seriously. I was at 14,900 ft and could only walk about ten minutes before I needed to stop. Even with the leaves. Kinda like chewing tobacco really.

    I was given altitude sickness pills before we left. The side effect of the pills is the same as altitude sickness. Never took any.
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    Back to RKBA.

    In my post #14 of the plaza you can see the green shirts, the cops. Always watching and armed. Virtually no military around like in Mexico. Like I said hardly any murders etc, crime in Peru mostly small thefts.
    It's still a wild land out there so that is why you may need a gun specially in the Amazon. But just saw machetes.
    If you ask for a permit just for personal protection they prolly won't grant it.

    Heck I was in some really poor parts of Peru and never felt threatened. I seen some poor people but also seen exactly the same in the bad parts of towns around me.

    I was on the US Embassy/Peru the other day checkin in the other day and thought this topic might be interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estaban View Post
    Well a big thank you to the admin God's out there! The thread didn't start off so well at first but seems to be back on track somewhat.

    Not going to dwell on healthcare because that's not the thread topic.It's RKBA. If you feel the need please start your own thread somewhere else.

    I'll be back with more pics or video of the upper amazon if I can upload it.
    Well you should. You're not very effective if your sick and having a gun isn't going to help. You're promoting Peru as a wonderful place to retire , and it needs to be pointed out that your retirement community should offer more than having a gun. Health, food, clean water, etc, are important. I can carry a gun here too and trust the food I eat, the water I drink and if I need to go to the doctor, I'm going to get the best health care in the world. Visiting some place is a whole lot different than living there.

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    Your sugar coating here. Peru is basically a Cocaine producing NARCO state under the thumb of corrupt government officials/cartels.

    Source: InSight Crime: Peru has an inherent weaknesses that makes it vulnerable to wholesale macro-economic shifts of the type that have made it the number one producer of cocaine in the world. One is that of corruption. On the Transparency International scale of 100 denoting full transparency, Peru registers 38, alongside Liberia and Burkina Faso. International intelligence sources in Lima told InSight Crime prosecuting top level drug traffickers is very hard, and that there is persistent corruption at all levels of the judicial system.

    Police can be easily bought off (especially outside Lima), prosecutors are often unwilling to take on complex organized crime cases, and judges can be bribed. Corruption scandals are the daily bread of Peru’s newspapers, with a police chief recently arrested accused of working with organized crime in the north of the country, while a raft of congressmen are under investigation for links to drug traffickers; an army general was found to have created a payroll for 620 soldiers who did not exist, instead collecting their pay checks himself.

    Ex-presidents Toledo and Garcia are under investigation for corruption. Garcia has been accused of selling presidential pardons to drug traffickers at $150,000 a pop at the end of his second administration during which at least 400 hundred convicted drug traffickers received pardons.
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    Is Peru safe?

    Peru is a super popular travel destination right now, with more and more visitors arriving every year. It’s one of the safest countries for travelers in South America, and has a level 2 travel advisory from the US Department of State—that’s the same rating given to the UK, France, and tons of other popular destinations.”

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    Peru has some of the highest number of foreigners in its jails of any SA country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeks View Post
    Peru has some of the highest number of foreigners in its jails of any SA country.
    And why is that I wonder? Cuz people are stupid! The amount of tourists is staggering for such a small country. Here's the top 4/

    Oh, here https://www.prisonersabroad.org.uk/b...ruvian-prisons

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    This covid thing is really cutting into my travel time. I like to travel. Probably won't be able to go to a wedding in Oaxaca Mexico in November. From there I was to hit Chile and Argentina to get into Patagonia and go hiking and camping.

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    Only 3 countries in the world protect the right to bear arms Guess who?

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    Playing hide an seek in the jungle. Wife found me. Don't do this unless you have a compass. lol
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