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    I just purchased my first SVT 40 with no import marks. Blueing is slightly worn but good, wood is dented, dinged but has finish and nice markings, bore is dark but very good, all numbers match except magazine. I’m not sure if it’s a refurb and is that an inspection stamp on Tula star or a refurb marking. Is this a bring back or ?Click image for larger version. 

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    looks good to me. The only thing is it looks like somebody tried to "correct" the star on the receiver by double striking the contour so it looks awkward. Maybe bad angle of the picture but that's what it looks like to me, the rest looks legit
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    nice rifle ,i was thinking of selling my 41 svt but may hang on to it.Very nice rifle

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    Quote Originally Posted by daveccarlson View Post
    Daveccarlson Thanks for the link! I did read it over more than once which leads me to believe it is a bring back but the strike on the edge of the Tula star I can’t identify what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnsdave View Post
    Daveccarlson strike on the edge of the Tula star I can’t identify what it is.
    You mean the rhombus? It's an technological inspection mark not a refurb/repair stamp if you are wondering.
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    Nice original SVT40. You might check to see if the gas port adjustment has been remarked with a 2, but I suspect you will find it unmodified.

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    Great rifle! How did you come across this one?

    I have a similar 1941 Podolsk in all matching condition, minus the magazine, with no import or evidence of Finn ownership. I got chewed out on a Facebook group for even suggesting it was a bringback. The guy told me it was a Finn example. When I asked why, he said if I didn't know why, he didn't have time to explain to me. What a clown. I love the "experts" that don't have time to explain to "new" collectors like me who have only been collecting for 12 years or so.

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    As Ryan stated if that little 5 sided nut sticking out at the front has a #2 stamped on it then the chances are very very good that the rifle was modified by Finns. And would have been imported into the USA back in either the late 50's or early 60's ( too lazy to look it up) by InterArmco.
    Now I'm going to have to clean that rifle!!

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    The five sided nut has a dot in the center and other numbers on the five sides like 1.5, 1.1, 1.7 1.2 and 1.3. The nut has been wrench on but I think that is what I see.

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    Pavlin I guess it is a rhombus...I’m new to these.

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    Ithilsdorf,

    My local gun shop received it from an estate. No magazine or cleaning rod but it seemed like a great score with the condition, matching numbers and no import marks. I’ve been looking for a few years for the right one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnsdave View Post
    The five sided nut has a dot in the center and other numbers on the five sides like 1.5, 1.1, 1.7 1.2 and 1.3. The nut has been wrench on but I think that is what I see.
    If it had the 1.1 settings, it is unmodified. Likely never in Finnish inventory.

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    RyanE, that is a good thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnsdave View Post
    RyanE, that is a good thing?
    Finnish markings and modifications reduce value, so it is a good thing yours is original.

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    Awesome find! Now you just need to get yourself a cleaning rod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanE View Post
    Finnish markings and modifications reduce value, so it is a good thing yours is original.
    Well... not always (e.g. Finn captured PU vs Regular PU or Finn captured M44 vs regular M44) but that's a topic for whole different discussion)
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    Anyone know of a good source for a cleaning rod and magazine?

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    Cleaning rod can be bought from Russia on eBay


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    Nice SVT. Factory original's are worth a lot more then refurbs and much harder to find.

    Pavlin, to me a PU or M44 that is Finn marked is not worth more then a factory matching non-Finn example. But that is my preference/opinion and has been my experience in sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msniper19 View Post
    Nice SVT. Factory original's are worth a lot more then refurbs and much harder to find.

    Pavlin, to me a PU or M44 that is Finn marked is not worth more then a factory matching non-Finn example. But that is my preference/opinion and has been my experience in sales.
    Yeah, I can't think of any Finnish marked rifle that would be worth more than the same rifle in original condition. Maybe a matching Lindelof rework (assuming they are wartime) might come close.

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    Damn, nice find, congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanE View Post
    Yeah, I can't think of any Finnish marked rifle that would be worth more than the same rifle in original condition. Maybe a matching Lindelof rework (assuming they are wartime) might come close.
    My personal experience where I bought things personally or seen them sold, almost all were auctions so there were multiple bidders involved:

    1. Marcus (I think lots of folks know him) sold his mismatched Finn 43 PU for 3K few years ago. Another one (scopeless) also mismatched was sold on GB few months ago for almost 2K.
    In comparison 4 or 5 all factory original matching (except scope) Izhevsk PUs were sold for $950-$1500 within last year. Most with just a very light stock refurb that's all. All original PU including scope will cost much more of course but my point is that SA stamp in case of PU snipers affects the price a lot. All original matching PU vs all original matching Finn PU. I think Finn PU will greatly outweights here .

    2. Few months ago or so there was unrefurbed all factory matching non import M44 for $800 on GB that was relisted few times with no bids until the price was dropped to $600 and the rifle got sold with a single bid.
    In comparison all original factory matching also non import Finn captured M44 went for $1500 a month ago or so

    I think all original matching Finn captured Nagant M1895 would also bring a tad more than non captured in similar condition.

    As for 91/30 and SVTs: non Finn i guess are more preferable then Finn here. Simply because there's tons of Finn captured 91/30 and SVT's. The major factor here would be how many original parts the rifle has and SA stamp won't matter one bit.

    It all depends
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    Service Armament imported these in the early 60's. I believe the price was $29.00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlin View Post
    My personal experience where I bought things personally or seen them sold, almost all were auctions so there were multiple bidders involved:

    1. Marcus (I think lots of folks know him) sold his mismatched Finn 43 PU for 3K few years ago. Another one (scopeless) also mismatched was sold on GB few months ago for almost 2K.
    In comparison 4 or 5 all factory original matching (except scope) Izhevsk PUs were sold for $950-$1500 within last year. Most with just a very light stock refurb that's all. All original PU including scope will cost much more of course but my point is that SA stamp in case of PU snipers affects the price a lot. All original matching PU vs all original matching Finn PU. I think Finn PU will greatly outweighs here .
    ...I let a Finn-capture PU get by me for $725.00 at an auction in February 2019.
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    Quote Originally Posted by majorpupo View Post
    Service Armament imported these in the early 60's. I believe the price was $29.00.
    Service Armament may have had some of the Finnish SVT 40s.

    According to Markku Palokangas Sotilaskasiaseet Suomessa 1918-1988 - Book # 1, Page 324. That in 1959 Finland added 30,000 weapons to their surplus offering list including 17,300 Russian dragoon rifles, over 7000 Tokarev Semiauto rifles ,1000 L39 anti-tank rifles + mis pistols, SMGs, LMGs & MGs. (the Finnish break down list in the book - table V/3 shows 7790 SVT38 & 40). First several purchasers were interested in these weapons but many turned out to be rather shady. But Sam Cummings offered to buy the entire lot for InterArmco. The sale was agreed upon and Sam Cummings bought and imported the entire lot. The sale was agreed upon and in 1960-65 the whole shebang was shipped mainly to the US.
    Now I'm going to have to clean that rifle!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaoulHayduke View Post
    ...I let a Finn-capture PU get by me for $725.00 at an auction in February 2019.
    You should’ve kept on bidding. Someone scored big time for $750
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    Great looking rifle, nice find!
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    Unfortunately no SVT cleaning rods available on eBay. I did find the old post and I’ve been searching. The cleaning rod might be a tough find it seems. Thanks for all of the member input I do think that I scored on the SVT 40 find.

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    They are fun to shoot too.
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    If you can be patient those rods will show up on the on-line auctions.
    Now I'm going to have to clean that rifle!!

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    Very nice SVT.
    Imho, just because an SVT doesn't have Finnish markings or modifications does not mean it was never used by the Finnish military. Many examples of various rifles without those markings or modifications have been sold on the US market since the 1950s...everything from Berdans and Arisakas to US made MN and otherwise...so, the lack of Finnish modification or marks does not exclude it from being possibly a Finnish origin import.
    Lack of a US importer stamp might only be an indication the rifle was in the US before the 1986 FOPA, the first and thankfully only reg which requires newly imported surplus guns to have those stamps. No import stamp does not sanctify the rifle as a "bring-back". Could be? Yes. Only capture or import papers or unimpeachable historical personal papers could indicate that without argument.
    In the mid 1990s a large group of SVT 40s was imported to the US, not of Finn origin, and many of these were in minty condition, similar to yours, although most were in refinished condition with purply-looking reblues. As with many of the post-86 Century imported Finn rifles, it's also possible this SVT missed being importer marked, for whatever reason; at the time of that import, although discreet import marks were allowed on barrels and in under-the wood locations, many rifles were not so marked--and there was no requirement at the time for a new, importer generated SN, so the original number could be used...just so you know.
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    FGD135,

    I like the bring back story myself. With that said, with this being my first SVT 40 I plan to find a magazine and shoot it as I’ve never fired an SVT. I plan to find an original cleaning rod not to clean it but to make it complete. I will clean it though with my one piece fiberglass cleaning rod and such, and put it in my safe to bring out occasionally and shoot it with other interested and interesting people. My question is now, if I pass on tomorrow what would my now educated loved ones expect the worth of an SVT of this nature to be at auction? I tend to document such information so that my former stuff doesn’t wind up in a garage sale for pennies on the dollar like I bought this SVT for

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnsdave View Post
    FGD135,

    I would my now educated loved ones expect the worth of an SVT of this nature to be at auction? I tend to document such information so that my former stuff doesn’t wind up in a garage sale for pennies on the dollar like I bought this SVT for
    Rather than asking that question here, you should do proper research on the web, i.e., looking at completed auctions for an average sale price. Any price quote given here on GB would be self serving by most. An owner would likely want to inflate worth, a buyer would want to lowball in hopes of acquiring.
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    Understood and thank you for the insight of all the directions that this SVT could have come from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnsdave View Post
    FGD135,

    I like the bring back story myself. With that said, with this being my first SVT 40 I plan to find a magazine and shoot it as I’ve never fired an SVT. I plan to find an original cleaning rod not to clean it but to make it complete. I will clean it though with my one piece fiberglass cleaning rod and such, and put it in my safe to bring out occasionally and shoot it with other interested and interesting people.
    You should not be shooting an all original SVT40. They are not the most sturdy rifle ever built, and chances are very good that you will crack the original stock or break an internal part.

    If you want an SVT40 to shoot, sell this rifle (preferably to me) and you will have more than enough to buy a garden variety refurb that you can shoot as much as you want with quite a lot of money left over.

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    I agree with everything RyanE said except one thing...


    you should sell your rifle to ME instead!

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    You want a shooter? Put that on Gunbroker, low starting bid. You’ll see how far the market will take you. How many past, matching SVT auctions are out there? Not a ton.

    I wouldn’t shoot that at all. Sell it and you’ll make a killing I’m sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanE View Post
    You should not be shooting an all original SVT40. They are not the most sturdy rifle ever built, and chances are very good that you will crack the original stock or break an internal part.

    If you want an SVT40 to shoot, sell this rifle (preferably to me) and you will have more than enough to buy a garden variety refurb that you can shoot as much as you want with quite a lot of money left over.
    Dave:

    Please pay attention to this advice. Some guns deserve a pampered existence behind glass. They simply should not be used. Not even a little bit. Your new SVT is one of those special guns. It should be preserved and protected not shot. What you have is very, very uncommon. Please don’t make it less special.

    Please don’t tempt fate.

    You could easily sell your rifle for far more than the cost of a shooter grade SVT and I’d be surprised if you haven’t already received offers.
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    Yes! What Ryan and Richard said. Please, please, please do not shot this rifle. If you break it, then you will ruin it's value. If you sold this rifle then you would have enough money to buy 2 refurb rifles to shoot all you want.

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    Did not mean to hijack this thread, just noticed mine 1941 Tula is only a few hundred numbers off in the same prefix : LB . Also all matching, but the magazine, non-import.
    Both rifles were probably manufactured within a week from each other.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnsdave View Post
    FGD135,

    I like the bring back story myself. With that said, with this being my first SVT 40 I plan to find a magazine and shoot it as I’ve never fired an SVT.
    Please do not shoot this rifle. You scored what many collectors can't find or can't afford at all. She is very valuable.
    There are tons of refurbs, Finn captures, even some Bulgarian light refurbs available if you want to shoot SVT, but listen to advices above - don't shoot this one. Disassemble, clean, lube and enjoy as collectible item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valmet72 View Post
    Did not mean to hijack this thread, just noticed mine 1941 Tula is only a few hundred numbers off in the same prefix : LB . Also all matching, but the magazine, non-import.
    Both rifles were probably manufactured within a week from each other.

    Please post pictures of serials and markings.

    In Л-series I have information on 19 rifles.
    Out of them 6 are matching except magazine and 1 mostly matching. None of them have any single Finnish feature. One of them in Germany and another one surfaced in US with Mauser sling.
    Usually captures observed in groups. Л-series is one of such groups.

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    I think I also got LB series all matching sans mag rifle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnsdave View Post
    FGD135,

    I like the bring back story myself. With that said, with this being my first SVT 40 I plan to find a magazine and shoot it as I’ve never fired an SVT. I plan to find an original cleaning rod not to clean it but to make it complete. I will clean it though with my one piece fiberglass cleaning rod and such, and put it in my safe to bring out occasionally and shoot it with other interested and interesting people. My question is now, if I pass on tomorrow what would my now educated loved ones expect the worth of an SVT of this nature to be at auction? I tend to document such information so that my former stuff doesn’t wind up in a garage sale for pennies on the dollar like I bought this SVT for
    Here's a non-refurb in the wrong stock (which is also broken) and the buyer snatched it up for the Buy It Now price of $2749
    https://www.gunbroker.com/item/873825269

    I don't think I would pay that much for it in that stock, but I suppose it wasn't a bad purchase. Original matching SVT 40s are just so hard to find and your example is really nice.

    I wouldn't even be able to guess what a non-refurb SVT40 like yours would bring. It would be multiples of what a typical refurbished SVT40 would go for, though.

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