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    Talking I picked up 2 more interesting M-44 carbines yesterday

    I've been on an M-44 and Finn capture kick lately, here are the 2 latest acquisitions:

    1. 1944/50 MO marked Izhevsk M-44. Stamped matching except the magplate which is EP'd with Cyrillic prefixes.

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    Tang date 1944 - original receiver:
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    2. 1945 Izhevsk M-44 with HEX receiver and laminated stock. All stamped matching except the bolt, which is Hungarian "02" marked. There are 2 serial numbers on it, both apparently Hungarian.

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    Hex receiver tang , 1933 Izhevsk:
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    Last edited by gunhorde; 08-29-2020 at 12:29 AM. Reason: Added tang photos

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    You get the coolest stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockme77 View Post
    You get the coolest stuff

    Thanks Josh. I don't know what the tang date is on the 1945, I haven't had it apart yet. But I've been told it's not an antique. This is the first hex Izhevsk M-44 I've ever seen. I've owned a 1944 Tula hex M-44 in the past before the big sell-off back in 2010-2011.

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    Congrats you got a hex shorty! Is that a CZ 91/38?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmont View Post
    Congrats you got a hex shorty! Is that a CZ 91/38?

    No, just a wartime Izhevsk M-44 on a hex receiver. Every other hex M-44 I've seen previously has been a 1944 Tula. Wartime Mosin-Nagants with hex receivers aren't rare, but for some reason the majority of them are Tula made.

    The M91/38's are all pre-1928 dated and typically made from a Dragoon or M91 rifle. The later (post 1930) hex carbines seem to all be M91/59's, with exceptions as always. I've got a hex 1931 Izhevsk M91/59 that's a GREAT shooter.

    M-38's and M-44's are occasionally seen with hex receivers, but they are far less common and the vast majority are Tula built, at least in my experience.

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    A collector friend of mine from many years ago had one... but I have yet to see a hex M44 in the wild. Congrats again on a great find IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmont View Post
    A collector friend of mine from many years ago had one... but I have yet to see a hex M44 in the wild. Congrats again on a great find IMHO.

    Thank you. I've very pleased with it.

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    What are the tang dates and arsenal stampings ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judi and her Mosins View Post
    What are the tang dates and arsenal stampings ?

    I'll post photos here when I've got time to take them both down. No idea on the tang dates for either one yet. I was told the hex isn't an antique.

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    Good finds and beautiful rifles, congratulations!
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    John you are making up for lost time and I'm happy for you. They say good goes around and you for sure were deserving enough to start getting your share! Nice looking rifles and this guy can shoot a carbine better than anyone I know of! I'm good for 100 yards and that is about it for me while John goes way out into the hinterlands with these neat little packages. I haven't looked at one at the range in way too long a time guess I'll maybe grab one and try my luck. Congrats ! Bill
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    Superb!!!!!! They are really nice. Bill is making me want to get one of my horde of M38's out and go try to hit something with a carbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dallased View Post
    Superb!!!!!! They are really nice. Bill is making me want to get one of my horde of M38's out and go try to hit something with a carbine.

    DOOOO IT!

    I shoot mine out to 400+ yards, and regularly hit "minute of man" at that distance.

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    Nice looking carbines John . Denny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judi and her Mosins View Post
    What are the tang dates and arsenal stampings ?

    Photos added to the original post above.

    The 1944/50 MO has the original 1944 Izhevsk receiver.

    The 1945 hex has a 1933 Izhevsk receiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny View Post
    Nice looking carbines John . Denny

    Thanks Denny!

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    Couple of different scores there. Very cool.
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    Could the gun with the Hungarian serialed bolt be a gun from their '56 revolution? The Izhevsk triangle area is heavily ground, and that's where the Hungarians supposed stamped the Kossuth Coat of Arms crest. See here.

    http://www.hungariae.com/Mosi56.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVSteve View Post
    Could the gun with the Hungarian serialed bolt be a gun from their '56 revolution? The Izhevsk triangle area is heavily ground, and that's where the Hungarians supposed stamped the Kossuth Coat of Arms crest. See here.

    http://www.hungariae.com/Mosi56.htm
    Interesting article, I will take down the rifle again and look more closely for any signs of this nature. The refurb mark on the shank tells me the possibility of Hungarian use is low unless it was refurbished prior to being issued to Soviet troops who were stationed in Hungary. The rifle and this history warrants further examination.

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    Beautiful rifle very nice

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    Excellent additions to the ‘horde.

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    About that "All stamped matching except..."

    Johnnn...don't make me take you to the shed with a switch. It either is, or it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocker98 View Post
    About that "All stamped matching except..."

    Johnnn...don't make me take you to the shed with a switch. It either is, or it isn't.

    Isn't that the same as a "bolt mismatch"? What I was attempting to convey was the fact that all numbers on the rifle are stamped matching, nothing EP'd. The bolt is obviously not.

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    Very nice looking rifles

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