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    Bones I've often wondered when we see a rifle with the damage like this what experience does someone have that we have certainly that the damage was caused by the descriptions given? I certainly defer to those with extensive knowledge, but I always hear the old buy the gun not the story thrown around here quite a bit. If there's no shrapnel present on a rifle, how do we correctly ascertain that damage was caused by it?

    I'm also trying to get information on how a rifle in the condition of yours gets imported here. Surely rifles like this weren't put in to storage this way, so where and how did they show up in this condition? Please understand I'm not doubting your particular rifle or others, I'm just trying to gain more knowledge on the subject so I can buy other Mosins with a higher degree of intelligence. Oh and BTW, great rifle!

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    I have nothing specific on the cause of the damage, other than having seen many other rifles damaged by bits of shrapnel. The forward section of the damaged area shows clear small shrapnel damage (vice being struck by shovel or dropped on a rock). The rear area shows clear knife-cut marks where the splintered piece was cut off. My photo doesn't show it well, but the damage is not as exaggerated as it looks... meaning, you don't feel the missing wood so much when handling it.

    But yes, it is just my own opinion.
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    It's been quite a while since a new SA M38 has surfaced.

    The all matching 1943 is a huge bonus.
    Now officially collecting Mosin M38s!

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    Bones I appreciate your feedback. I sure hope some other experienced folks get on this thread because I'd really like to hear some feedback on both of these issues. I just don't understand how a beat up looking Finn rifle, no matter how it happened, shows up here.

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    Fantastic, thanks for sharing.

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    I love finds like this, good snag!

    I snagged an all matching and original '41 Izhevsk Finn capture M38 a couple years ago off of Armslist. Darn near the same shape as this one. It even has some "battle damage" right behind the trigger guard. It really makes you wonder what caused the damage and hope no one was holding it when it happened. I have a Vietnam bringback T53 with a bullet impact to the nose cap of the stock. War is hell as they say.
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    I would've loved to have purchased this piece. Unfortunately (kind of) I purchased about seven too many collection additions in the last couple weeks and had to watch it pass on by as my wallet caught fire just thinking about it.
    Currently In Search Of: Rare/Interesting/Oddball Finnish (or Finn'd Russian) M/91s and M/91-24s.

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    I have a 43' M38 with the same prefix, no import mark, and heavy damage to the stock. The damage to the stock looks to be in 2 parts, pre repairs somewhere and post repairs. I say repairs instead of refurb as it has no refurb marks and I haven't seen any repairs like this other than on Finns. The other stock damage has bits of metal sticking out of it. What is interesting/confusing to me is it has Finn sling swivels, but the barrel, and receiver appear to be almost uniformly devoid of stamps minus the year, serial, Izhevsk, and a boxed 2-7 on the top of the tang. The finish to the metal is not bluing or paint. It's more of a gray parkerization or Dulite. I've found one other M38 on the net that is almost the same, to include the boxed 2-7 on top of the tang. Story that I received from the last owner was he purchased off someone that stated it was a Korea or Vietnam bring back. I have no way to prove or disprove this. Just adds to the confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeebill View Post
    Most anyone who is serious about this keeps prices to themselves as they should and frankly I think openly asking shows poor taste. Congrats Bones! Oh and at least keep looking for awhile as you are on a roll! Think Positive! Congrats! Bill
    Mostly agree with what you have said, but I see nothing wrong with asking, "what value do you place on a firearm like that." I think that's a polite way of asking what it's worth.

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    Also there appears to be a SN on the bottom of the barrel shank as it as a prefix, then number. It is different than the SN on the top of the barrel shank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoots High View Post
    Mostly agree with what you have said, but I see nothing wrong with asking, "what value do you place on a firearm like that." I think that's a polite way of asking what it's worth.
    Oh in that case I think its worth about $1500 in todays market and I'm sure Bones would agree. Bill
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    The stock seems to have a sheen that can only be achieved by being in someone's hands for a long time.

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