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    Default Mle 1907-15 M-34 MAS bolt question

    Did the French ever issue any of these with a bent down bolt handle? I recently saw one at a show that was otherwise unaltered but the bolt handle was bent down in a fashion similar to Spanish 93 carbines. There were no other apparent modifications so I wasn't sure. The rifle was in every other way in excellent condition. I'm hoping someone has more info.

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    Take a look at this site which shows a drawing of the cavalry model with a bent bolt. You probably saw a very rare bird!

    http://armesfrancaises.free.fr/FR%20...-15%20M34.html

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    Thanks for that info JP. It really didn't look like a Bubba job since the rest of the rifle did not have any other "improvements". I have been unable to access that site though. It seems like I get a timeout because the server is not replying. By any chance do you have a copy of the drawing that you could post?

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    1907/15/34 Infantry.Attachment 2487706
    1907/15/34 Cavalry. Attachment 2487714

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    Quote Originally Posted by spuds View Post
    Thanks for that info JP. It really didn't look like a Bubba job since the rest of the rifle did not have any other "improvements". I have been unable to access that site though. It seems like I get a timeout because the server is not replying. By any chance do you have a copy of the drawing that you could post?
    Hmmm, now you see it, now you don't, it has failed for me as well. Perhaps it is because it is the first of the month and the bill for the site is overdue?
    I do not have any pics, so I hope the site comes back. Interesting that the site has pics of several examples of the infantry rifle but only a sketch of the cavalry; this hints that the latter is very rare. Patrick, 1886lebel, did an excellent write up on this Berthier stating that only 10% of the M.34s were the cavalry model. Look for "Berthier carbine and rifle information" in the stickies.

    wsexton, your attachments are not working for me, could you please try again?

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    the site is open and your link is working for me!

    The M34 were built in small quantities, all the surviving one are infantry models, the highest SN known is F 609XX dated 1939.

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    The link is working again...
    Kelt, high serial number may be my recent find, rifle #61191 with mismatched bolt #63228.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails FR Mle 07-15 M34 cavalerie-VD-WEB.jpg  


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    Quote Originally Posted by kelt View Post
    the site is open and your link is working for me!

    The M34 were built in small quantities, all the surviving one are infantry models, the highest SN known is F 609XX dated 1939.

    kelt
    The highest seen is F 6302X and it is a Cavalerie Modèle

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    Every time I see one of these, I add it to the data base ....

    F 131 - 1935
    F 64X - 1935
    F 1665 1935
    F 1715 - 1935
    F 47XX - ?
    F 8890 - 1936
    F 9031 - 1936
    F 104XX - 1936
    F 13044 - 1936
    F 14707 - 1936
    F 16916 - 1936
    F 17637 - ?
    F 18134 - ?
    F 19437 - 1936
    F 220XX - 1936
    F 23111 - ?
    F 24822 - 1936
    F 27182 - 1936
    F 316XX - ?
    F 34734 - 1937
    F 34884 - 1937
    F 364XX - 1937
    F 36983 - 1937
    F 38382 - ?
    F 485XX - 1938
    F 461XX - 1938
    F 497XX - 1938
    F 501XX - 1938
    F 50863 - 1938
    F 509XX - 1938
    F 533XX - 1938
    F 53687 - 1938
    F 55031 - ?
    F 53817 - ?
    F 57121 - 1939
    F 57213 - 1939
    F 57526 - ?
    F 5754X - 1939
    F 57695 - ?
    F 5811X - 1938
    F 599XX - 1939
    F 5XX21 - 1939
    F 6090X - 1939
    F 61059 - 1939
    F 61106 - ?
    F 61241 - ?
    F 6302X - ? (Cavalry)

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    Banzai Special Project No. 1, The Siamese Mauser, A Study Of Siamese / Thai Type 45 & Type 46 Long Rifles and Type 47 Carbines, Including An Overview Of Siamese/Thai Weapons 1860–2014


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    Thanks to everyone who answered. The one I saw unfortunately did not look like the one in the picture. The bolt handle was a standard bolt handle bent down in a fashion very similar to a Spanish '93 carbine. Why someone would do that to an otherwise mintish rifle is a mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spuds View Post
    .....Why someone would do that to an otherwise mintish rifle is a mystery.
    When I was about 17, my Dad got me a surplus Carcano for deer hunting - one with the underfolding bayonet. Well, I knew what hunting rifles were supposed to look like, and mine did not look that way. I removed the bayonet, and that helped, but that big slab of steel with the hole in it still bugged me. I solved that problem with a hacksaw!
    Now, about 50 years later, I can only shake my head and sigh. My solace is that I never got around to sawing the ears off of my Remington-made 1917 Enfield!

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    I just purchased this rifle and wonder if anyone can tell me anything about it. These are the only pic's I have at the moment.
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    Congrats on a cool find, this is an interesting model with lots of history. There is a sticky near the top of the forum covering the developement of the Berthiers, including this model; the entire sticky is well worth reading, but for a quick look at your rifle scroll about 3/4 of the way down to the M.34....
    https://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...-Information-*

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    Reciever and stock are matching
    What about the bolt ?
    It seems to be in VG condition !!!
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